Intellectually I understand what the Rolly represents in expenditure, history and legacy, R & D, and prestige. But I cannot deny that the Tissel is the prettier piece in your comparison. It seems to be the bargain of the century to me

 

I agree with you whole heartedly. I own a 16610 Sub which sits comfortably in a safety deposit box as an inheiritance for my oldest boy.

Rolex has over the years improved on the Sub, I recently checked out the Subc and found it light years ahead of my 16610 in almost every catagory. Movement, case design, ceramic bezel, and the biggest improvement of all, the Bracelet with the glidlock adjustment.

I was tempted to flip my 16610, but is promised to my son, it was the watch I wore as he was growing up.

I had grown tired of the sub look, but recently on a vacation tried an Invicta Pro Diver I had on a bond Nato I recently picked up. I was so impressed with how comfortably and nice it looked, I decided to pick up this Tisell when the Invicta finally gave up the ghost.

Just one main complaint with Rolexe's R&D, when are they going to wake up and put some AR on the sapphire crystals

 

That Tissel visually is a good copy. Wow! Personally, I prefer the Rolex. I suppose that I usually go with the original, but hey, not always.

 

Thanks for introducing us to this new brand Chazman - great find! Really helpful review and photos.

What about the 'feel' of the watch? Weight-wise? Balance on wrist? Is the Rolex better on that front?

 

I believe I read that's on the table. If you look at Rolex over the last 40 years you realize that they are very conservative company. Unlike other top shelf companies, they really stick to what's been selling. I believe I read that's on the table. If you look at Rolex over the last 40 years you realize that they are very conservative company. Unlike other top shelf companies, they really stick to what's been selling. I guess they don't want to rock the boat, and I know what's working. But lately they've made significant improvements to their movements, their bracelets, and their cases, without changing the look of their watches. A little AR coating on the glass
Because the black submariner with the black bezel is so ubiquitous, it has turned me off to that style of watch. But I'm wearing an Oris diver model 7533 right now. Slightly bigger than the Rolex sub, beautiful textured blue dial and blue bezel, and arguably a better bracelet. So maybe a Rolex is in my future. I could probably afford a sub within a year if I do some extra gigs. But then I look at the Daytona, and they just look so cool. And there twice as much money!!!!
Sorry to ramble and I appreciate you putting your watches out for comparison. I will probably end up buying one of the Tissel watches. However I'm thinking about one of the moon phase 1, which is a manual wind


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Because the black submariner with the black bezel is so ubiquitous

That's just about the same way as I feel, that's why I went with the Kermit instead of black version.

The New Sub with the Maxi case wears larger and has more wrist presence compared to my 16610 which always appeared a tad too small on my 8" wrist.

As much as I love the new Sub-C, if I was going to go the Rolex route again, it would be a Explorer II Polar, that watch really impresses me!

 

I am really liking the look of this clone.

I stopped shopping for clone watches that don't have a noticeable difference from the original a while ago (more than a re-branded dial and whatnot), but considering what i have read from you and others, I might have to give one of these a try. I love the fact that it uses a Miyota 9015 over the usual seagull offerings. The nicer movement gives additional piece of mind, as I have had numerous sterile subs in the past that the movements crapped out long before anything else.

Anyway, on a whim I just ordered a black dial/green bezel version.

 

That's the same model I have, the Kermit.

 

SHAMROCK CAGE FIGHT... the s. korean contenda scrappy

 

Not gonna lie, I like the dial in the tissel more than the Rolex. But I like everything else more on the Rolex.

 

im sorry but i just dont like the whole , im gona build watch that looks like someone elses , i would never buy a homage but thats just me , just saying

 

:capitulate::capitulate:

Then don't buy a Rolex, since the Submariner is a homage to the Blancpain 50 Fathoms.

 

Great. Now I have to buy a Blancpain 50 fathoms.......

 

yeah , i was gona say that but then i realised i didnt know that,

 

The Sub looks more like a period Turn-O-Graph, and was an evolution of said watch.

Or are you suggesting Rolex had no intention to make a dive watch with a rotating bezel, then saw Blancpain's watch, and then engineered a new watch, with new (for the era) technology, in less than 12 months?

It's not an homage of the FF. That's just internet conjecture, perpetuated by people who should know better. Like the whole 'unreliable 2500 co-axial' thing...

 

The Sub looks more like a period Turn-O-Graph, and was an evolution of said watch.

Or are you suggesting Rolex had no intention to make a dive watch with a rotating bezel, then saw Blancpain's watch, and then engineered a new watch, with new (for the era) technology, in less than 12 months?

It's not an homage of the FF. That's just internet conjecture, perpetuated by people who should know better. Like the whole 'unreliable 2500 co-axial' thing...

Yup.

The Sub was based on the turnograph which predates both the FF and the Submariner. In addition the Submariner was actually available in 1953.

Looking at the pictures though, other than the watches being round, I really don't see how they are "identical".

 

Whichever came first Rolex nailed it.

 

The 116610 LV is a fantastic watch in person. The crystal clarity is perfectly fine and the dial is a great shade. It's on my 2016 purchase list!

borrowed photo from Zack Ji:

 

I love mine, I'm tempted to pick one of these Tisell ripoffs to do a side by side.

 

Do it!

 

Just showed my precious wife this thread and she said "I knew you'd never be satisfied" she got me an orange Juggernaut (love it!). She said they look just alike" ha. I'm going to check Tissels site.

Any thoughts on their customer service?

 

I need an extra link for the bracelet, emailed them, and within 2 days they were shipping it out for shipping costs only.

 

I'll be ordering one of theses definitely.


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I buy the homage knock off's cuz I can't afford the several thousands of dollars for a Rolex, etc, but like the look and feel of their original design. Doesn't the saying go "imitation is the highest form of flattery"???

 

Not only that, but considering the patents Rolex had on the design ran out decades ago, someone else using the basic design isn't a crime, legally or morally.

It would be akin to a drug company having a patent run out and generics appear on the market.