[whattime]

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Has the factory issued any comments as yet

 

[WWIIBuff]

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I think Pamvicta is going to have you call CS and ask for Rebecca. LOL

 

[andrema]

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UPDATE - AngeloBonati, OP President, offered owners of the PAM 318 to replace the movements at his own, personal expense (minus shipping and handling). In addition, he added that the movements that were used are not inferior to what was supposed to be used...give me a break!!

Minus shipping and handling...are you kidding me? That is a slap in the face!

I have lost complete trust in Panerai and question whether I will ever buy one of their watches.



This is his actual response at PPF:http://www.network54.com/Forum/353391/message/1320922854/Official+update+on+the+318+from+the+desk+of+Sig.+Bonati......



"Anyone who choses to can have their movement switched out on the 318. This will be done free of charge via the LA and NY boutiques only, but will exclude transportation costs and insurances. Please note the movement currently supplied is not inferior nor implied as such. The change order is purely for those who wish to take advantage of this option and offer.

Please note. The words employed here are mine and typed in haste as I travel home. I just wanted to pass this offer on. So please no replies based on content or choice of words.

Paddy"

 

[rbmbb]

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Looks like Panerai has a new marketing guy..

What's Panerai going to to replace the movements with? Dubois Depraz modules installed by Inflicta???

 

[whattime]

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It sounds like "we got caught lets try to fix it" Looking at the Panerai forums the guys are all raving about how good this is....Don't get me wrong I like Panerai but if something like this would happen at Invicta. Invicta's CEO and all of the board of directors would already have been hung and burned at the stake...Just my 2 cents

 

[watchmaven]

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Sounds like the good Signor got caught with his pantalunes on the ground...uh hmmmm. Maybe I'll stick with Mansubishjies watches or whatever his name is. This sucks for whomever shelled out five large for this watch.

 

[tinknocker]

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I guess these guy on that forum figure, if you can spend 5 grand on the watch, the shipping and insurance shouldn't break you.

 

[richc1958]

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They are a Italian company are they not? If so some say they are the second Greece.....and who is to say others are not doing the same thing.....how may people really would thin of doing something like taking the back off and looking at the movement......not counting us on all these forums.......

 

[TimeTraveler]

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I would think that a $5k watch coming from a reputable company has a very strict QA/QC program. It's not mistake in my book.

As posted above.... Bait and switch

Panerai just got themselves caught speeding.

 

[whattime]

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TimeTraveler wrote:

I would think that a $5k watch coming from a reputable company has a very strict QA/QC program. It's not mistake in my book.

As posted above.... Bait and switch

Panerai just got themselves caught speeding.

Agree a mistake is 1 or 2 maybe a few more not 150

 

[Axelay2003]

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Screw PANERAI! I would return the watches for a full refund including the shipping. That is BS CS!

 

[Domtime]

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Leave it to the guineas...Hey wait i'm Italian.Scratch that! lol.

Rich....Second to Greece,are you kiddin'???? All of Europe is going down with this Euro debacle.But second to Greece?C'mon.Shouldn't be mentioned in the same breath.No offense to my Wife(Greek).lol

U.S.A.

than Italia......:l

 

[TimeTraveler]

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Just a band-aid....

Making right on the replacement....

But not addressing the issue at hand.

Maybe it's okay to those that can drop 5k on a watch, pair of shoes or a toss of the dice in Vegas, but what about the those that have hoped and dreamed of a chance to own something they have longed for years to finally get, only to find out the company is no better than a street vendor in a long trench coat selling on the corner of 5th and 72nd street, Rolexes and the like for 100 chocolate coins?

What a scam, made right on or not. My .02

 

[four20]

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Domtime wrote:

Leave it to the guineas...Hey wait i'm Italian.Scratch that! lol.

Rich....Second to Greece,are you kiddin'???? All of Europe is going down with this Euro debacle.But second to Greece?C'mon.Shouldn't be mentioned in the same breath.No offense to my Wife(Greek).lol

U.S.A.

than Italia......:l

actually Italy is the next Greece in the Euro crisis. Berlusconi is about to be out of a job (not that he needs the money :%). they're in serious trouble

 

[Axelay2003]

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four20 wrote:

Domtime wrote:

Leave it to the guineas...Hey wait i'm Italian.Scratch that! lol.

Rich....Second to Greece,are you kiddin'???? All of Europe is going down with this Euro debacle.But second to Greece?C'mon.Shouldn't be mentioned in the same breath.No offense to my Wife(Greek).lol

U.S.A.

than Italia......:l

actually Italy is the next Greece in the Euro crisis. Berlusconi is about to be out of a job (not that he needs the money :%). they're in serious trouble

I suggest moving to New Zealand!

 

[soundaround]

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LOL, a scam? End of the world? If you own a Pam it is not because of what is on the inside. You can bul%$it all you want but, the reality is neither watch has more then $600.00 worth of parts in them. You buy a Pan for the status of owning a Pam! Why else would you pay $5000.00 for one??? Don't sit there and tell me that you really believe there is even a slight difference between the off the shelf standard 6497 in the second watch and the cleaned up version it is being compared to. That is like saying I bought the Mclaren F1 because it was 2 tenths faster in the quarter mile then a 1987 Porsche 928s Turbo. You buy the Pan because you can afford the Pan and you like what the Pan means to others that know. Call it status, call it who has the big di%$ challenge, call it what you wish. Don't sit there and claim that any watch has any value over the sum of it's parts. It only does because there is someone willing to pay! There was a time when watchmakers hand built watches down to the tiniest part and sold those watches for what they are really worth.

The only really sad part about the whole process is there are many out there that should not own a $5000.00 watch but, they do because of peer pressure.

I have no issue what so ever with someone spending what ever they want on anything they want but, don't play the BS game about fit, finish, and an astounding movement. I would love if this was done to make a point. If it was, did you get it?

 

[four20]

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soundaround wrote:

LOL, a scam? End of the world? If you own a Pam it is not because of what is on the inside. You can bul%$it all you want but, the reality is neither watch has more then $600.00 worth of parts in them. You buy a Pan for the status of owning a Pam! Why else would you pay $5000.00 for one??? Don't sit there and tell me that you really believe there is even a slight difference between the off the shelf standard 6497 in the second watch and the cleaned up version it is being compared to. That is like saying I bought the Mclaren F1 because it was 2 tenths faster in the quarter mile then a 1987 Porsche 928s Turbo. You buy the Pan because you can afford the Pan and you like what the Pan means to others that know. Call it status, call it who has the big di%$ challenge, call it what you wish. Don't sit there and claim that any watch has any value over the sum of it's parts. It only does because there is someone willing to pay! There was a time when watchmakers hand built watches down to the tiniest part and sold those watches for what they are really worth.

The only really sad part about the whole process is there are many out there that should not own a $5000.00 watch but, they do because of peer pressure.

I have no issue what so ever with someone spending what ever they want on anything they want but, don't play the BS game about fit, finish, and an astounding movement. I would love if this was done to make a point. If it was, did you get it?

except that the watch was advertised as having a specific mov't found in other models that has a high level of finishing.

fact is, it probably will run fine for many years w/o a problem and be as accurate as can be, but if you advertise something and charge a high premium for it, you'd damn well better deliver.

here's an example- you buy a Ferrari on the expectation that the engine bay is as nicely finished as the engine bay in another model running the same motor, only to find the valve covers that had a nice red crinkle finish are raw, unpainted metal with dings in it. sure, the engine's gonna run just as well and be mostly hidden from view, but you will know and feel like you were taken for a fool.

i'd be madder than a hornet if i were one of the owners of this watch

 

[tinknocker]

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Yep, the whole point is getting what is advertised.

I don't care if it's $50 bucks or $5000.

 

[richc1958]

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Domtime wrote:

Leave it to the guineas...Hey wait i'm Italian.Scratch that! lol.

Rich....Second to Greece,are you kiddin'???? All of Europe is going down with this Euro debacle.But second to Greece?C'mon.Shouldn't be mentioned in the same breath.No offense to my Wife(Greek).lol

U.S.A.

than Italia......:l

I am half Sicilian myself.....

 

[nous defions]

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I only own one Panerai. But, this is a slap in the face to their avid collectors.