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A lot of people stay home nowadays, ... maybe more time to spend on Watch Fora!
Be careful und stay healty, all of you!
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Jo (doing only individual sports now: walking up the mountain and paragliding)
 

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It's crazy how it keeps getting worse there Frans. Honestly keep waiting for
something good to be said every day, but it doesn't happen. Am so sorry to
hear how things are going over there, and for how life has gotten. You kind
of feel like a prisoner, and then are afraid to even go out right?! ..Once again,
it sounds extremely similar here as well, and like we are living in the same
city, or town from what you are saying. Almost all the actions your government
has taken are taking effect here in N.J. also now.

Hope all goes well with the shopping, and that YOU stay safe, and that
your daughter, and her boyfriend can keep enjoying that vacation. That
idea of theirs' with not using the internet sounds like a really great one.
Even the singing, and dancing sounds fun, and like it really could take
your minds off of things for a while. Like you said, at the end of the day,
we will get through this, together.

Thanks so much for the update on things. Stay in touch Frans and take
care out there.
 

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Some very funny, and also very beautiful pics there Yukon, and Jo !!
Thanks very much for making us smile Yukon, and also stunning us
with the wrist shot Jo. 😀👀 It makes things almost feel normal guys.
 

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Due to fine weather I had to take a walk today. Done my shopping first (Wednesday is my weekly day off) and after lunch I went out. Much quieter (also in background noise) compared to a 'normal' weekday. People are avoiding each other like the plague, limited admission to those shops that are still open. Every shopping basket and cart handle is sanitised after use. Thankfully my cigar monger was open for business! Only one customer per time and you had to give your order, not allowed to enter the shop/walk-in humidor. But I've got my favourite stogies! I really, really feel for all those hard working retailers and restaurant and bar owners that had to close to at least April 6. I'm afraid some (or many) of them won't make it. Barbershops, hair- and nail salons as well. Thousands will lose their job. The death toll is still rising but no where does it come close to what is happening in Italy and Spain.

I enjoyed my walk in the sun, nice and quiet and sitting on a bench I took the moment to think my life over. I'm happy my loved ones and myself are still healthy and safe. Man, do those watches become petty and insignificant compared to this pandemic. We must count our blessings. Hang in there ya'll!
 

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Am with you guys, and count those blessing each, and every day.
So happy that you got to get out Frans, and made the day feel a
little normal. Really hope that the businesses can rebound, and
somehow come out of this. Even the mental impact is going to
be very bad, and last for a long time I think unfortunately.

Yes, hang in there guys. For hopefully not too much longer.
 

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Cheer up, out here in Arizona we only have 6 deaths and about 500 cases altogether. One of our neighbors out here has an aunt who had the virus, yet recovered and is out of the hospital, the aunt is 92 YEARS OLD!

Worldwide this virus hasn't killed as many people as just the normal flu has in the U.S. this year, the Media is stoking panic and the Politicians are responding to them!

I'm 74 years old, I did a Combat tour in the Marines in the Nam, when on the Chicago Police Department I used to be a Robbery Decoy, dress up as a drunk and go into high crime areas and let thugs rob me (I would have 10 backup guys) I was robbed over 500 times. There isn't much that scares me, and a disease that has a 98.4% chance of recovery isn't one of them.

I'm in the high-risk age, but my immune system is pretty good and last year I had a pneumonia shot (getting the virus usually ends up with pneumonia which is usually what kills you) so I don't intend to hunker down like a rat in his hole.

What scares me is if this lockdown lasts more than a month or two, there will be outbreaks of violence, complete collapse of our economies leading to a worldwide Depression making the one in the thirties look like Amateur Hour.

The Lt. Governor of Texas said it best, he's 70 and he said he will gladly take the chance of getting the virus, so his grandkids still have a society and country worth living in after this is over, open up the country!
 

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Yes, it's all make believe:

 

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Yes, it's all make believe:

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Yes, it's all make believe:

I didn't say it was make-believe, and Italy which has a poor health care system and not the most sanitary hygiene practices is hardly a match up to what is going on elsewhere, also most of the victims they have there are in the late 70's 80s.

South Korea has a mortality rate of 1.4%, and they have the closest match to American Health Care systems.

Let's be pragmatic, if the majority of victims are over 70 and the cure rate is 98.6% rate, is it worth it to destroy our way of life by shutting everything down and collapsing our economies for more than a month or so more?

I will take my chances of being in the high-risk group, rather than have my Granddaughter live in a country looking more like the Wiemer Republic in the 30's then the United States of America!
 

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I didn't say it was make-believe, and Italy which has a poor health care system and not the most sanitary hygiene practices is hardly a match up to what is going on elsewhere, also most of the victims they have there are in the late 70's 80s.
That's where you have it wrong Chazman. Italy's healthcare system is routinely ranked among the best in the world, based on its overall quality, equity of access, and the general health and life expectancy of the Italian population.
 

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It also brings humour :) As we, as humans, are social animals, there's an almost unstoppable notion to shake hands and approach each other. So yesterday one of my (female) colleagues said, after yet another 'faux pas': "it's almost as we are drawn together like magnets". Not in 'wrong' sense of the word but just to describe the situation. It has brought me good as well, I'm stationed at the subsidiary that I used to work for 6 years ago and this brings back happy memories. They want me to stay but it's temporary, alas. I just want to urge everyone not to take this lightly. You want to be free in The land of the Free, I understand that. Just stay frosty.
 

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That's where you have it wrong Chazman. Italy's healthcare system is routinely ranked among the best in the world, based on its overall quality, equity of access, and the general health and life expectancy of the Italian population.
Whoever did the rankings better get back to the drawing board, all that socialized medicine does is stifles innovations and forces rationing of health care.

If given a choice, would you rather go to a modern, clean U.S. Hospital or an Italian one?

If their Health Care model is so spiffy, why are they having the horrendous mortality rate?

With great private health care here, if I need a CAT Scan or MRI I can have one in less than a week, if I come in through the emergency room, I get them within hours. I have plenty of Canadians who own houses in my gated retirement community. They all wish they had the same health care as we do in the U.S., 8 month waits to get elective surgeries, 6 month wait to get a new doctor.

No thanks!
 

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I don't know if anyone has mentioned this one yet or not here but I guess, as a replacement for hand shakes, everyone could start doing air elbows.
 

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My state only has 198 confirmed cases and everything is shut down. Also most deaths I've read about already had other "contributing" factors. I believe the 5 in our state did.

I'm 60, healthy and keep myself fit. I have not been worried. I can't help but recall George Carlin's comedy bit on germs.

I've said from day one this economic shutdown will cause more harm to people long term, both mentality & health wise, than this new version of the Coronavirus, which by the way even with the numbers below we still just go about life.

Pandora's Box has been opened so it won't surprise me next time somebody coughs they'll start this **** all over again.
 

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Whoever did the rankings better get back to the drawing board, all that socialized medicine does is stifles innovations and forces rationing of health care.

If given a choice, would you rather go to a modern, clean U.S. Hospital or an Italian one?

If their Health Care model is so spiffy, why are they having the horrendous mortality rate?

With great private health care here, if I need a CAT Scan or MRI I can have one in less than a week, if I come in through the emergency room, I get them within hours. I have plenty of Canadians who own houses in my gated retirement community. They all wish they had the same health care as we do in the U.S., 8 month waits to get elective surgeries, 6 month wait to get a new doctor.

No thanks!
Fact vs Perception.
South Africa is known and acknowledged to have some of the best private medical facilities (hospitals, clinics etc), doctors and medical support staff in the world. Fact
However, when this is conveyed to the average American, European or elsewhere, in most instances they do not believe it. Why? Because it's Africa. Perception
 

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Depending on where you are in the world, this thing can mean very different, life-altering changes to your life. I don't really see any upside in downplaying it, too much is still unknown. Comparing it to the flu is also probably a waste of time, this thing's ramping up on a daily basis. As I'm sure most already know, the US now leads the world in COVID-19 cases. Seattle is a distant 4th (in the US) place for confirmed cases, we're a major port city to the far east after all. Many, many folks in contrast live in a remote town where this has yet to reach including some of my extended family who are rolling their eyes at this whole thing. I envy those people, this is a messed-up time for a lot of us.

Although I must say the traffic is fantastic here right now!
 

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Fact vs Perception.
South Africa is known and acknowledged to have some of the best private medical facilities (hospitals, clinics etc), doctors and medical support staff in the world. Fact
However, when this is conveyed to the average American, European or elsewhere, in most instances they do not believe it. Why? Because it's Africa. Perception
"PRIVATE MEDICAL FACILITIES" Bingo, you said the Magic word, and that's the majority of medical care in the U.S. Socialism sucks, is stifles incentive, promotes mediocrity. Basic human instinct directs the individual to look out for him/herself and their immediate family first, the collective last. Herd mentality is against the ingrained psyche of the average American.

BTW, how many great private medical facilities are there in Soweto?
 
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