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Reviewer: Don aka Tattoo Chef
Watch donated for review

Watch Being Reviewed: Gruppo Gamma Genesis (G5) Auto with date

Company Website: http://www.gruppogammawatches.com/index.html

Facebook Page:
https://www.facebook.com/GruppoGammaWatches

Contact:
[email protected]

About/History:
We're a boutique watchmaker specializing in the modernization and reincarnation of legendary tool watches issued to Italian Navy commandos circa WWII.
We want to build the ultimate affordable tool watch. In design, we differentiate through balancing aesthetics with ergonomics. In implementation, we differentiate through material selection and production control.
We source our parts carefully and work only with suppliers and dealers we trust, in the same way we'd like to earn your friendship and trust.
We're based in Singapore and we sell our collection via our website.
Our logo was aesthetically inspired by the emblem of the Decima Flottiglia MAS, home of the Gruppo Gamma naval commandos. However, the association ends here.
The rose symbolizes the sweetness and beauty of life, and the skull is a sober reminder that we only live once so we should live high, live mighty, live righteously and take it easy.



Specs:
316L Case
44mm width
Thickness 17mm
Weight 130 grams
Lug to Lug 54mm
Screw down crown
Water resistant 10atm
Domed Mineral Crystal on front, flat mineral crystal on back
Seagull Grade 1 TY255 movement
24mm leather strap
C3 green superluminova

Price $230


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First Impressions:
I must say initial impressions were very good.
This particular example comes on a custom 74 watch strap, which is who Gruppo Gamma works with to offer custom leather straps at an additional cost.(more on that later).
I have never owned a Parnis or Marina Militare watch, so I can not compare to that, but I have to say I was impressed for the price point of $230.




Packaging:
The Gruppo Gamma watches all come in impact resistant zippered pouch, with a Gruppo Gamma G logo in green. The pouch is very nice, and the watch was secured in the elastic strap and also was bubble wrapped. The pouch can easily be used to carry the watch and extra straps in the top compartment, or, if you were to put a piece of foam on top of the first compartment, you could put a second watch up in the top part, making it a convenient 2 watch travel case. A very nice and useful presentation box.





Dial:
The dial is a classic Pam style dial, with sandwich numbers and markers, thin sword hands, date at the 3 and small seconds at the 9oclock position. The dial is a nice deep black and the cut outs for the sandwich markers and lume application is done very well for a watch of this price point. I was honestly expecting it to be kind of sloppy.
I also like the fact that except for the brand name there is no other writing taking up space on the dial.












Case, Bezel and Crystal:
The case is a vintage Pam style case, very similar to watches made by Benarus or Magrette. Please note, I am not exactly comparing finish or quality to those brands, only design.

I must say though, the finish is pretty nice, all high polished case, bezel and crown. No rough edges, no sign of cutting corners.

The lugs utilize one sided screws, making strap changes a breeze.

The crown is a large screw down crown, that is very knurled for easy gripping and turning. It is signed Brevet , which is a military term and has what I believe to be a Swiss cross logo.

I will mention that the crown unscrews and screws very scratchy, almost like is not oiled enough. This to me would be one of those watches that if you have a watch winder, use it, as I don't think you want to be unscrewing the crown every few days to set the time. I have done so a few times without any issues, but just doesn't feel like its a normal thing when doing so.

The crystal is a domed mineral crystal. As you can see in some photos it creates a blur or distortion, especially for snapping pics. It has a greenish tint to the crystal as well. On the wrist its really no different than many other domed crystals I have had, does not create much distortion or detract from being able to tell the time.















Case back:
The Gruppo Gamma G5 has an open or exhibition case back showing off the Seagull movement. As you can see the steel part of the case back is high polished as well, matching the rest of the watch. The Seagull movement is nicely decorated, which is something I always want to see when it has a glass case back.








Custom Strap(74 Watch Straps):
This example sent to me, comes on a 74 Watch Straps Stagionato strap. 74 Watch Straps is a custom strap maker that Gruppo Gamma works with for upgraded premium straps.
This was sent to me as such to show an option of what you can add to your Gruppo Gamma Watch.
The regular leather strap that comes with G5 or any of the Gruppo Gammas is soft but much less refined. I know this from the G3 model we gave away on the forum a few weeks back. A nice strap for the price of the watch, but no comparison to this strap below.

You can order these in standard size of 130/80 , which is what this is, or you can request a custom size shorter or longer.

This Stagionato strap is fantastic. Upon first putting it on, I was only able to get into the second hole from the bottom, but after wearing for a day or so, it "stretched" and now I fit in the 3rd hole very comfortably.

It has that aged appearance, light brown in some parts, dark brown in others, is 4.5mm thick an has unsealed edges. It comes with one fixed and one loose keeper. It comes on a signed, polished Pre-V spring bar buckle.

This strap is smooth ,soft and supple, it almost has a feeling of horween leather. This example costs $120 extra and they also have two other options to choose from for custom straps, the Classico at $100 and the Kampfschwimmer for $55.



















Wrist shot on my 7 1/2" wrist:

















Movement:
I am the first to admit I am not very familiar with Seagull movements as I believe I have only owned one other watch with an actual branded Seagull(as opposed to a re-worked or re-branded Seagull movement)
I am not sure if the movement itself, or the construction of the watch, but as mentioned above the crown turns and winds very scratchy, and the rotor is noticeably loud.

So far after about 2 weeks of wearing it on and off, I have not noticed any issues with accuracy, it seems to be about 10 seconds slow on the average, which is not bad.


Lume:
The lume is very nice, glows super bright for about 15 minutes or so, and then slightly fades, but I was able to see it in the dark many hours after having no light source. I was impressed with the lume on a homage watch of this price point.





Summary:
Now as I said in the beginning of this review, I have not had any or have seen any of the other similar types of Pam homages in person. So I can not compare to those.
Being truthful, I always said I would never own one of these types of watches, as far as a Chinese Pam homage, because I didn't think the quality would be what I am used to.

With that said, for the price point of $230, I was surprised at how good it was. The finish is very nice, the dial work is spot on, and the movement is keeping good time. As I said earlier though, the crown is very scratchy and the rotor is extremely loud when it spins(though this could be due to a thin mineral crystal on the back, making it easier to hear).
I like that you can choose from 3 different standard straps(black, brown, and tan) and that they also offer premium custom strap options.

Overall, I think its a nice watch for the price, and I am considering picking up a California dial option, as they are good affordable strap watches, which don't come across as cheap looking.

One thing I would like to see them offer as an option would be a sapphire crystal upgrade. That is the one thing I am not in love with on this watch, as I am not a fan of mineral crystal, especially domed mineral. Maybe offer sapphire for an extra $30 or so. I also wouldn't mind if they offered some brushed case versions, as not everyone likes high polished cases, and it might open some people up to ordering one.


Thank you for reading, as always I look forward to your comments.















 

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Whilst I may not be in the market for this actual watch, I can appreciate the piece at this price point.

Some maybe off put by the movement used, but I think you are getting a reasonable watch for $230.

I believe that they've put a bit of thought into this piece and not just thrown it together. Little design points such as the single piece lug screws are a nice touch. Many manufacturers could take note.

I wouldn't probably have made the aforementioned comments if it wasn't for the video. It really shows the watch for what it is and appears to be well finished. I'm sure the tinkerers out there could probably squeeze in another movement if they so wished.

I will always say that video as a medium for reviews cannot be beaten IMO and big Kudos to Don for managing to find the time to put it together. I don't believe I have the b***'s to do one of those videos...and anyway, I speak Jockanese and you wouldn't understand a word!

Och aye the noo!

Big up Don, great review and thanks for the excellent video. More please!

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Don,
Thanks for the Great Review and Pictures of the Gruppo Gamma Genesis (G5) Auto with date! It's a really nice looking PAM 1950 homage with some history behind the brand, which I Like.
I've been looking at this brand as well as Marine Militare and Getat MM to purchase a inexpensive PAM homage timepiece with good quality and a decent mechanical movement at a fair price. I like the fact that they use SuperLuminova in the sandwich dial and hands, and support your comments that a sapphire crystal and brushed case would be the other additions that I would like to see as well.
Cheers!
 

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**** Don. You do such a thorough and complete review, I know I'd better bring my coffee or beer (depending on the time of day) because it's going to be a few to go thru the review. You do a great job of breaking the product down, photographing whichever watch it is, and then summarizing your personal views of how YOU would like the watch on your arm. I always look forward to a watch review that you have done. Keep up the great work bro.
 

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I am really fascinated with this kind of case design. Thanks for the review.
Nice photos too. I may have to add this to my wish list.

Or rather, I already added this to my wish list.
 
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**** Don. You do such a thorough and complete review, I know I'd better bring my coffee or beer (depending on the time of day) because it's going to be a few to go thru the review. You do a great job of breaking the product down, photographing whichever watch it is, and then summarizing your personal views of how YOU would like the watch on your arm. I always look forward to a watch review that you have done. Keep up the great work bro.
Thank you very much, It is appreciated. We all try our best to make the reviews the best they can be.
 

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And yes. The rotor is very loud. It's because they used a seagull. Myota movements are much better in my opinion. I have a maranez layan with myota and I'm totally happy...
 

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And yes. The rotor is very loud. It's because they used a seagull. Myota movements are much better in my opinion. I have a maranez layan with myota and I'm totally happy...

I have been told that they are now working on new models , already in production with Miyota 8215 movements and sapphire crystals and that some future models will have Miyota 9015 movements and that they are also working on new models that will move away from the Panerai style....so lots of things in the works for Gruppo Gamma. I like the fact that they are paying attention and improving.
 

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I have been told that they are now working on new models , already in production with Miyota 8215 movements and sapphire crystals and that some future models will have Miyota 9015 movements and that they are also working on new models that will move away from the Panerai style....so lots of things in the works for Gruppo Gamma. I like the fact that they are paying attention and improving.
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Wow, a manufacturer that listens to it's customer base, whatever next!

Kudos to the brand, wish them every success!

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Love the look of this watch but looking at it a bit more has me thinking their branding is a bit too prominent on the dial. I think another person pointed this out already - maybe it's just the stark contrast of the text on the dark dial... hmm...
 

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Good to hear that they are becoming more original! Would love to see some designs in the future and hopefully they will be as affordable as their first model. Great review and pictures as always!
 

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Have to echo what the guys are saying Don. Yet another excellent review with everything you could want to know, and much more about the watch. It's like the watch is right here for us to try out for ourselves. Thanks for the info, pics, and opinions about it. Truthfully looks GREAT from here !!! I even like the crystal. Kind of makes a neat effect from the sides. :thumb:
 
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