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UNDER $100 "Reserve" Watches Soon?

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I want to toss this out there. Since there always is so much venom and anger when anyone questions the almighty Invicta I will state what everyone who knows me on this site already knows - I am an Invicta fan. I own many invicta watches including SAS, SAN III, Excursion, Grand Divers, Pro Divers, etc etc etc. I had new Invicta watches arrive this week. I will be watching the shows all this weekend. So I am an Invicta fan.

With this deal today - http://www.watchfreeks.com/view_topic.php?id=2169&forum_id=36 I am convinced that we will see a "Reserve" watch for $99 soon/eventually on one of the "daily deal" sites.

Add this to the fact we are seeing SAN III and SAS and Reserve Excursions all in the $200-$400 range and Venoms in the $300-400 range I believe we are seeing a real shift in the perceived and real status of the "Reserve" and "higher end" Invicta models. Even the old revered models with the 7750 movement are regularly available for thousands and thousands less then in the past - sometimes as low as the $500-600 range.

I HAVE POSTED MANY TIMES that I think the lower prices are great for everyone and allow almost anyone to buy a SAN II or SAS. I am excited to buy a venom someday very soon for under $300. We all know it is coming. I am excited to buy another SAN III for under $200. We all know it is coming soon. But that was not once the case. There were always different levels of Invictas and some were more expensive then others. That is not really the case any more.

Bottom line - many of the "Reserve" pieces and "higher end" models are just not that exclusive anymore. The pricing has dropped so low and continues to drop making these once "special and exclusive" models more like all of the rest of the other models. We regularly see new Pro Divers in the $125-150 range. We see the Scuba models in the $150-200 range, Now we see Reserves in that price range.....or lower.

This post is not just about the falling prices. It is also about what I foresee for the future. I could be wrong, but this is just my opinion.

With everything above being said, what I HOPE is happening, and obviously again I am just speculating, is that 2010 will bring a new "higher" level or new line of Invicta models that are at exclusive special levels again. I hope that Eyal has a plan for the brand that does include creating some special models and lines again. We all know that sales numbers are king to any company and high volume sales has always been Invcita's big thing by offering quality watches at affordable prices. But there always was a higher level out there. There always were models that were above the ones that everyone else could easily obtain or afford.

I guess we will see what happens.......
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I posted this elsewhere, and thought I'd follow up here (with a few updates included) . . .


It would be nice if Invicta decided to "once again" define it's "higher end" watches and rename the "Reserve Line" to differentiate their flagship models (call them Super-Reserve, or some such moniker). IMHO, the current Reserve line offerings are NOT worthy of the original intent of the "Reserve Line" (look at what happened to the Reserve Lupah -- Look how cheaply it sold, just last week. Look at the current SAS offering . . . ISA movement on a rubber strap . . . jeez!). This way they could continue selling "Reserve" to the masses (to make their money), but yet create a line of watches that WILL NOT be downgraded over time (which reduces the value of other models in the line)!

I'm not sure that even this philosophical change towards (once again) establishing a "premier" Invicta line would salvage the support and earn the $$$ of folks who've already "gone down this road" with the Reserve Line (it certainly won't, for me). There are too many new collectors to the Reserve line and view how things are now, "as normal." For many, the Reserve Line is a step up from anything they've owned before (and that's great). However, for those who have been buying the line for several years . . . the current offerings are NOT to the same standards as were originally set forth by Invicta. This is where many have an issue. It's not so much that what's being offered today is "bad", it's just different (lower valued) than when originally produced.

I won't buy "Reserve" timepieces any more. The line has seriously morphed into another bargain-based watch line. There's no value in buying them (beyond their initial appeal). I've had more defects (and other fitment issues) with Reserve Line watches, than 8 previous years of Invicta watches. Their values aren't holding as compared to other brands of the same price point and movement availability. As I'm finding through sales and trades, my "less" valued (less expensive) Invicta timepieces are retaining more of their original selling price.


I DO believe that we will see $100 Reserve watches. I believe we'll see them after the holidays on bargain sites . . . and they'll be bought up like mad . . . just NOT by me.

Congrats to all who get a great Bargain on the Reserve line! I imagine there will be some killer deals over the next few months!


BTW:
Amazon.com has the SAS 7750 for $650! That's almost 50% less ($600) than what I paid for mine back in February! :lol
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I believe everyone has made many many good points as watch collectors but it is obvious invicta has made the decision to make piles of money by mass marketing and developing just an invicta collector and I dont think there will be changes in direction any time soon
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I don't doubt that some of the Reserve models might end up on other web sites under a hundred bucks. I had a chance to buy an Excursion GMT, SS with blue dial for $179...and passed. WHy...it was on ebay and the seller had no feedback. I don't buy from ebayer's with zero feedback.

If I liked the Ocean Reef...I might spring for one at that price....but I don't. Right now...most of the Invicta doesn't appeal to me. I guess I have the ones I like and don't want anything more. I am kinda in that mood right now with watches....ever since I got my Renato and the SL Commander Chrono....I kinda don't want anything else right now enough to deal with my wife about getting another watch!!! Plus...she really likes the Lupah Diver I got from CJ and says it's nicer than all my other watches...and likes it when I wear it. So I am trying not to upset the boat here at home.
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I finally was able to ask my question directly to Michael, the OFFICIAL INVICTA REP on the thread on WG. If you want to go add on, or see what he says - check it out. But my question is now officially posted to him. IF HE EVER responds it should be interesting.
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I am sure glad I am not apart of this topic on the other site, I would get banned!!! LOL

What a Joke!!!
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I made my point over there and am moving on. No point.

costume jewelery for men.............
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Your words, so true...."No point".
Jim Jones convinced hundred to take their own lives........

Have a good night James, don't sweat the small stuff. You've got a good...no great...thing going here and it will only get better.

CJ
TVDinner wrote:
I made my point over there and am moving on. No point.

costume jewelery for men.............
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Looks to me like Micheal did some schooling over on the geeks!!! Hmmmmmmmm
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RipitRon wrote:
Looks to me like Micheal did some schooling over on the geeks!!! Hmmmmmmmm
I chimed in just to get a reaction over there. It worked Ha Ha LOl!!!
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ISA might be a great company and make great movements but they have always been in cheaper watches.Anytime Croton,Adee Kaye,Oniss, or even the Corvette brand were selling their "real swiss chronograph" for $100.00 it was an ISA.To put this in a watch that is"for the few who know best" and calling it a reservewasn't the best idea.Other companies still seem to be getting ETA movements.Companies that aren't as big as Invicta.To use ISA in their watches is fine but to put them in their top of the line models and say they are for the few who know best isamusing.
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Regarding watchecollector1968's post.



How's this for customer service.

This is from Rotary:



Lifetime Guarantee.

All Rotary watches should be serviced at 3yr intervals at a Rotary Service Center to ensure the Lifetime Guarantee remains valid.

When returning your watch for service, please pack it in a sturdy box (not the original presentation case) to ensure maximum protection. Send it registered mail with your guarantee or proof of purchase and reason for it's return. Include your name, return address and daytime phone number. Rotary turns all repairs around within 7 days (for standard guarantee work.) Servicing includes a 24 hour period of bench testing.

The highlight is mine.



That's right it says seven days, not seven weeks.

T.
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Look, all I know is that the "reserve" line is nowhere close to being a top-notch line any more! When they first came out, they were special, well built and reasonably exclusive. Now, the new reserve watches are nothing more than regular watches. There is absolutely NO exclusivity with them anymore. Let's be honest, not everyone can afford more expensive watches and that's the way it is. Why is it so good if everyone can buy a Reserve piece? Life ain't fair kids. There are some things that we just can't have and the Reserve line when it first came out, was such that not everyone could afford one. I truely believe Invicta, in it's zeal to make money, is now whoring the market out and just producing cheap watches anymore. For Invicta, it's all about the money, the buyer be damned. They lower the prices and then they cut corners on other things like service and quality control. This is why I'm not buying Invicta watches anymore.
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sheraortho wrote:
Look, all I know is that the "reserve" line is nowhere close to being a top-notch line any more! When they first came out, they were special, well built and reasonably exclusive. Now, the new reserve watches are nothing more than regular watches. There is absolutely NO exclusivity with them anymore. Let's be honest, not everyone can afford more expensive watches and that's the way it is. Why is it so good if everyone can buy a Reserve piece? Life ain't fair kids. There are some things that we just can't have and the Reserve line when it first came out, was such that not everyone could afford one. I truely believe Invicta, in it's zeal to make money, is now whoring the market out and just producing cheap watches anymore. For Invicta, it's all about the money, the buyer be damned. They lower the prices and then they cut corners on other things like service and quality control. This is why I'm not buying Invicta watches anymore.
Hmmmmm

say that about the S1 excursion, Venom, Akula!!!

Exclusive like a Breitling, a Hammy, a Oris or a Ball even a Rolex? They arent exclusive, hell just about everyone I know on a personal level has one. I wouldnt call them exclusive I would call them just over priced!

Now I understand certain peoples frustration, they had something most dont have, but too bad folks.
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Look, the high-end lines you listed I would say are exclusive except for Hamilton. You may know a number of people that have those watches, but in reality, as a percentage of the population as a whole, very few people can afford those watches or would even spend that kind of money on them. They are exclusive in my opinion. Ron,I know that you love Invicta, but I have decided that they just aren't for me anymore. I'm tired of the pricing, the poor QC and the sometimes outlandish claims that are made about them. I personally have decided that FOR ME, I'm going away from a fashion brand to much more established brands. The brands that have panache, style, extreme quality and a wonderful history behind them.
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Nuttin better then payin for a wonderful history!!! Good luck to ya!
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sheraortho wrote:
Look, all I know is that the "reserve" line is nowhere close to being a top-notch line any more! When they first came out, they were special, well built and reasonably exclusive. Now, the new reserve watches are nothing more than regular watches. There is absolutely NO exclusivity with them anymore. Let's be honest, not everyone can afford more expensive watches and that's the way it is. Why is it so good if everyone can buy a Reserve piece? Life ain't fair kids. There are some things that we just can't have and the Reserve line when it first came out, was such that not everyone could afford one. I truely believe Invicta, in it's zeal to make money, is now whoring the market out and just producing cheap watches anymore. For Invicta, it's all about the money, the buyer be damned. They lower the prices and then they cut corners on other things like service and quality control. This is why I'm not buying Invicta watches anymore.
We each have to hold onto to our desires and our attractions. . . . I'll hang onto my Invicta low-enders. But . . . .

I realize Iwas slow to make the turn on this, but I agree with Brian on this one.

I saw today first hand that it is truly and singly about sales and money, and nothing more. A captive audience that is willingly marching for the cliff is not where I want to be. I watched tonight and made little distinction between the Invictas and the Ed Hardons being sold. The passion for the timepiece was void. They are now items, and nothing more. This fact bothers me. It bothers ME, it does not bother me in the least though, that others are game for it and derive pleasure from it. To each his own is a credible sense to live by.

I'll buy what I like, as always, but I have different "shade of spectacles" to see the spectrum through . . . and I feel good about it.
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I really enjoy your posts Randy. You are one, well-reasoned M'fr! Not to get weird on you, but I mean that endearingly.
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If I may TK.......nice response, I concur.

Freedom to choose, to think, to have passion about your conviction.......it's an awesome thing! Keep it up Randy!



CJ



TUNAKLLR wrote:
I really enjoy your posts Randy. You are one, well-reasoned M'fr! Not to get weird on you, but I mean that endearingly.
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Seattle wrote:
If I may TK.......nice response, I concur.

Freedom to choose, to think, to have passion about your conviction.......it's an awesome thing! Keep it up Randy!



CJ



TUNAKLLR wrote:
I really enjoy your posts Randy. You are one, well-reasoned M'fr! Not to get weird on you, but I mean that endearingly.
. . . Kind words Guys, I appreciate them greatly. It was my exchange with Jim @ WG today over the Hardon watches that nailed it for me . . . Solidly.

I would rather share time and space with people who have their own tastes, styles and opinions, whether we mesh or not is immaterial. I can respect anyone who speaks out and stands up for what they like. Yes, even the cats that dig Ed Hardons . . . .
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randyswagon wrote:
Seattle wrote:
If I may TK.......nice response, I concur.

Freedom to choose, to think, to have passion about your conviction.......it's an awesome thing! Keep it up Randy!



CJ



TUNAKLLR wrote:
I really enjoy your posts Randy. You are one, well-reasoned M'fr! Not to get weird on you, but I mean that endearingly.
. . . Kind words Guys, I appreciate them greatly. It was my exchange with Jim @ WG today over the Hardon watches that nailed it for me . . . Solidly.

I would rather share time and space with people who have their own tastes, styles and opinions, whether we mesh or not is immaterial. I can respect anyone who speaks out and stands up for what they like. Yes, even the cats that dig Ed Hardons . . . .
Good on you. I agree with you 100% Randy.
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