It is coming. Invicta probably won't change.
It is coming. Invicta probably won't change.
I agree with Tuna 100%. I've said it before the 'exclusive' Invictas are no big deal for me. If I want high end pieces I know were to get them and it is not with Invicta (or Croton, Swiss Legend, Android, Renato, etc.). I own Invicta and as I stated in other threads I am moving away from them. But not because of the reserve line status, I just think there are many brands that sell watches that I can love and that these same watches can retain more of their value.I agree with you James, the $99 Reserve is coming! As far a s having another exclusive line, as long as it's offered on Shop, it won;t remain exclusive. The Shop is all about volume. I'm not gonna sit here and complain about getting some of my Reserves for ridiculous bottom line pricing. I just understand now that what I'm getting is NOT exclusive nor is it high end and I'm cool with that. When I finally decide to shell out the iron for high end it won't be from the "I". Nothing wrong with having a little diversity in the collection.
Nothing wrong with you view TV, I just dont care, nor do I think they care either. I personally think that Eyal has a bigger set of Ballz then you could even imagine. I bet he buys 50K of movements at a time, knowing that he might have a hell of a time pushing them all, but some how he seems to keep them going. Personally I hate the fact that Oris, Breitling and many other brands rip people off every day, by making upwards of 200 and 300 percent margins, where Invicta doesnt do that. So I understand your train of thought, I just dont agree with it!There is nothing special about the higher end lines anymore because the price drops so fast. Once the initial sale or launch and pricing is over the massive discounts begin on every single model it seems, which lowers the value of the watch for everyone. If you are buying these and don't care about the value and more importantly just don't care about how much money you literally waste when the watch you purchased less then a year before has dropped to 50-75% lower then you paid for it, then fine.
But that does not happen with every other brand out there. Many brands RETAIN their value, or close to it. Some even go UP in value That is a watch you can pass down to children and there is a value to it.
Invicta COULD DO THIS by keeping the prices higher on certain models or lines and NOT dropping the prices a few months later or ever. They could do this, but choose not to, and that is the problem.
they could keep a higher model (Like the SAS for example) at higher prices and just never drop the price. The Oris I have been looking at was around $1100 a year ago. It is still around $1100 today. It will be worth $1100 next year. Same for other watches I have been looking at buying. The price has never dropped, and you know what, neither has the value.
Again, I want to stress. I like Invicta watches and continue to buy them, but would love to see a higher end model that I could buy and KNOW it would retain it's value and not be offered at 50%, or 60% or 70% off within a few months....
I here yaRon - I think you know I understand sales. It is what I do and I 100% understand buying volume parts low and then making a lot of money on them down the line.
I am not talking specifically about any of the mass produced lines. those are fine and I love Eyal for putting those out at great prices for very nice watches.
I am specifically wondering why they cant take 1 or 2 lines and keep the prices high. Never drop, never waiver from that high price. never sell to other retailers at low prices so they can drop the prices. Just keep the prices consistent and high and magically they could have models that are just like the Omega's, Brietlings and others. They could specifically make really really nice special watches that actually do cost $1000 (or whatever) and always remain at that price. their value is not destroyed by endless discounting.
We agree about the company in general. They make good quality watches at pretty affordable rates. just please don't sell me a special "Reserve" or Upper Level line of watch only to drop it down BELOW or equal to the new Pro Diver prices 3-6 months later. That means your watches are worth NOTHING.
"Costume Jewelry for Men" is a phrase I have heard thrown around a lot lately for Invicta and I hate that, but it is hard to argue with it sometimes.
I completely agree. I guess I will live with my current Invicta watches because I personally like them. I do, there is no way to deny that I do like the look, feel, and overall presentation of the watches.
I will also fully understand that they have no real long term value and no current sale or trade value for any other brand of value. "Costume jewelry for men" rings true again.
Finally, the higher end Citizen Eco Drive that my father purchased a few months back is still the exact same price at the local jewelry store. You still can not find it anywhere online for much less then he paid. I guess he is a whole lot smarter then me.
Like others, I have been thinking about this more and more since you started the topic...and have come to more conclusions which may or may not relate completely to your question.
To those that have been around and listened to and remember the things stated by Eyal and Jim, the Reserve designation has become...well...funny. I think what Eyal probably likes the most is the newer Invicta collectors (the ones who join the big forum and have 5,000 posts in a month and have to have one UPS truck just for their weekly purchases) who constantly, despite all the evidence put forth, will continue to scream "I dont care if they say its Swiss Made and its not and I paid 800 dollars for a hundred dollar watch...IT LOOKS COOL!!!". That makes Eyal smile.
Its a sad state when people use the argument...I dont care if on thursday the new Reserve was on a daily site for 199 and on monday, I paid 899...I didnt buy it for resale. Thats all well and good, but since when have we lowered ourselves to almost being thrilled that we were given the shaft by some guy who laughs all the way to the bank...and cant so much as have the common courtesy to even have a decent CS department when our 899 dollar watch craps out in 10 minutes. But the customer does not care and will defend those practices until doomsday...because the watch looks cool.
Reserve is "All Swiss Made" and made by "The top 10% of watchmakers in OUR employee"...maybe.
Amazon has "Exclusive" versions of the Venom...not stamped "Swiss Made", but simply "Swiss". It has been established that "Swiss" cannot be trademarked in the US..."Swiss Made" can and has, but not just Swiss. And the "Swiss" version on Amazon is about half the price of the "Swiss Made". But WAIT, THERES MORE...Jim said Swiss and Swiss Made are the same (and it is IF you are a member of the Federation, but Michael says Invicta is not since its just "a good old boys club")...Michael compared those who question it to seeing the black helicopters, and the Invicta loyal either say "Jim said it so its true" or a few have even to posters to "Shut Up".
Does the fact that Jim, Michael and Eyal said it make it so? Remember the first release of the S1 touring with SAPPHIRE CRYSTAL!!! Only when questioned and the issue was pushed heavily did it come to light that they were mineral. Flame Fusion...if it is FF it is stamped on the case back...there have been a few instances where watches were said to have FF...whoops again. There is the "Swiss Mov't" which is meaningless and says so on the Swiss Federation site. Movement must be spelled out. Anyways, there is the now famous photo of the "Swiss Mov't" Invicta with the caseback removed and guess what...the movement is CHINA!!! There is always the Seiko movement that Invicta and Seiko developed together...well, not really...but Invicta did have their name on the rotor.
Their "Swiss Factory"...when really really pushed on the issue, the defense is to have Michael come out and say on the other forum...There will always be those out to get Invicta...we have facilities all over the world. Really?? But do you actually have the "Swiss Factory"...silence.
Look, as a former soldier in the Invicta customer army, I know what its like. I also know what I would like to see. Invicta should simply be up front. Have a certain number of models and production targets that can be reached with good QC...have a couple of folks be able to answer the phones...and maybe even stock basic parts like SCREWS!!! 3 months for a push pin is ridiculous.
Seiko, Citizen, Casio, Pulsar, Bulova and plenty of others hide nothing. There are plenty of Seiko Monsters made in Malaysia...and says so right on the dial. Other Seikos and Citizens are Japanese and say so. Casio has factories (actually owned by them) and makes watches in Japan, China, Korea and Thailand and says so right on the case backs. And all those companies have realistic retail prices and street prices are realistic and stable. Why? Because people know for a fact what they are buying up front...no slight-of-hand to make you think its something its not.
I for one would love to see Invicta back on track as they do have some very cool designs. Kristie is still lusting after an Excursion and I would love to get her one...if I simply trusted that its what it says it is, would be backed up by the company in my lifetime if there was a problem and had the same quality that Invicta used to have. My older Pro Divers as I have said many times are simply great watches. The Miyota driven Grand Divers...steal of the decade...the original version of the Akula, WOW...Invicta has potential to be what they used to be, and you hate to see that tossed away just to make a quick pile of money...I suspect they made plenty the way they used to do things.