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Ok, so I'm not really technical when it comes to my watch movements other than recognizing certain ones are usually "better" or more accurate. I'm pretty happy with my Seiko Monster's movement, so I'm guessing an ETA-2824 vs copies won't mean much to me. A watch that I like has recently "downgraded" to this movement: Seagull Grade 1- TY-2130 – 28,000 a/h – Automatic wind 25 jewel shock resistant movement with nickel gilt balance wheel. Quickset date function with sweep center second hand and hack set feature. If I want the ETA-2824-2 it's an additional $140 for the "basic" movement, with upgrades to the movement, rotor decorations, etc. The watch is $395 with the Seagull "grade" movement.
On another note, you can chose either a fully brushed or beadblasted case.
 
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Good question, I'm looking forward to the expert opinions on this. I'll guess that Seagull has closed the gap considerably, and it is higher grade, but all things considered, I'd probably lean toward the $540 Swiss. This is only my opinion, I am no expert.
 

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I have this movement on this project watch, Seagull St 2130. It has a hacking second hand . I think around 40 hour power reserve, Winds up quick on your wrist and keeps excellent time. I recommend it:smile-thumb:
 

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I own an ST25, that I bought for comparison, that I now swear by. Great spec's and performance.....been wearing it virtually non-stop for 4 yrs now with no trouble or complaints. Good looking also. I consider these movements to be value towards great watches at reasonable price points.
 

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This one is assembled in North Carolina I believe. Sounds like it would probably do me fine.
 
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I have no issue the movement. I would want a quality company behind the movement just in case I needed service or support. If that is there then I see no reason to shy away from a Seagull movement.
 
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For the extra $140 I'd probably go with the ETA... Why? Because we are WatchFreeks and there's a good chance you will flip that watch well before service is required...RESALE VALUE

Secondly, servicing a cheap Chinese movement costs the same as servicing an ETA, if you can get even get it serviced. That said, I've had a few watches with Seagull movts (still have one) and they've all performed very well but we're talking Parnis here... :rolleyes:
 
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The company is Wilson Watch Works. I'm much more of a looker and talker about watches than a buyer, much less flipper. I've had one Seiko since 89, the next 99, the next 04, and a recent 2nd gen Monster.
 

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The company is Wilson Watch Works. I'm much more of a looker and talker about watches than a buyer, much less flipper. I've had one Seiko since 89, the next 99, the next 04, and a recent 2nd gen Monster.

Wilson Watch Works makes great watchs, and I know he stands behind them. I well assembled and QC'd seagull movement is pretty reliable, but I would probably spring for the proper ETA in this case.

I don't think with that company you could go wrong either way.
 

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For me, I'm spending the extra $140 for the ETA....not allot of money for the added peace of mind
 
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He offers quite a few optioned ETA's too.
 

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My most recent experience with this movement would be the Borealis Francis Drake I reviewed last summer.

Honestly I can say I had no issues with the movement, kept very decent time, in fact on par with most ETA 2824 I have had, and it did have a very nice sweep second hand, winding was smooth as well.

And as far as I know, since it is a clone, I believe any part from an eta 2824 is interchangeable with it , so repair shouldn't really be an issue.

The bonus here really is Chris from WWW building the watch, you know the movement will be inserted correctly, regulated and tested, and he stands behind his work as well.

I don't see any issues arising from this movement, and if you cant afford the ETA, go for it.

The only reason I would say go for the ETA here over the Seagull, is the Eta has been around longer and is a proven movement, and $140 more really isn't that much of a raise in price for genuine ETA.
 

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I've had great success with all of my Seagull based movements. I believe they are a fine factory and they put out some movements that are as good (if not in some cases better) in quality than ETA. I think there name recognition is really starting to take off now with the flood of boutique brands using their cheaper movements.

Miyota too.
 

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seagull quality

Hager,android,movas,prometheus,borealis,etc use seagull movements ...inspected and regulated are very good choice ...look at this from hager company
As promised sometime ago, I stated that we would look at some of the components that make up the Hager Commando Milsub. We first looked at the History of the Milsub and now we are going to take a look at the movement that powers the Hager Commando.
The Hager Commando is powered by the TY2806, a 21 jewel hand wound automatic hacking movement which beats at 21,600 beats per hour (bph) and features a quick set date at the 3 o’clock position and Novodiac shock absorber. It is a Miyota-style simplified construction with Seiko-style auto-winding. Before we get into the TY2806 movement let me first explain what an automatic is. Believe it or not it’s the most commonly asked question I receive, “What’s an automatic movement?”. Automatic watches, referred to as self-winding, are made up of about 130 or more parts that work together to tell time. Automatic movements mark the passage of time by a series of gear mechanisms, and are wound by the movement of your wrist as you wear it. They swinging of your arms provides energy to an oscillating rotor to keep the watch ticking. The gear train transmits the power to the escapement, which distributes the impulses, turning the balance wheel. The balance wheel is the time regulating organ of a mechanical watch, which vibrates on a spiral hairspring. Lengthening or shortening the balance spring makes the balance wheel go faster or slower to advance or retard the watch. The travel of the balance wheel from one extreme to the other and back again is called oscillation. Automatic watches are considered more satisfying to watch collectors (horologists) because of the engineering artistry that goes into the hundreds of parts that make up the movement.
The TY2806 automatic movement has a similar train layout to the Japanese Miyota 8215 movement, and the winding mechanism has a Seiko-style auto-winding ‘Magic Lever’ system inspired by Seiko. This provided Sea-Gull with a modern, simple and efficient full-sized wristwatch calibre that served as the basis of a myriad of complicated variants. The TY2806 movement is produced by Tijin Seagull in China. It is a cost-effective high quality design that is used by a lot of watch brands such as Android, Rotary, Ingersoll, Fossil, and Zodiac watches etc., One Swiss company uses the ST-16 ebauche in their watches but they brand it the CL888 and it is labeled Swiss Made.:smile-thumb2:is a very good and honest opinion about seagull movements.
 

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QC PROCESS from hager....
Our movements are shipped directly from the Seagull factory to our manufacturer. Once they reach our manufacturer, an incoming QC is undertaken and movements are selected carefully and tested before they are assembled into the cases. During our first burn-in test with our manufacturer I made the decision to send back a number of movements to Seagull because they failed our testing guidelines. While they may have passed the industry standard according to Seagull and others I consulted, they unfortunately did not pass the one I imposed on our manufacturer. A lot of people unfamiliar with this Chinese movement will undoubtedly question the quality; however as a watch enthusiast and as the owner of this small company, quality is always a concern of ours as we know that we only get one chance. While we understand things can’t always be perfect, and they seldom are, we still like to get close to perfection as we can. After the manufacturer sends the watches to us we conduct our on 36hr burn-in looking for any potential problems. Once a customer orders we conduct another series of tests to include a timing test using a timegrapher. I THINK THAT ANSWER MANY QUESTIONS .......CHECK THE MOVEMENTS BEFORE ARE INSIDE THE WATCH...
 
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