War is hell
The Atlantic: The War Photo No One Would Publish
A very interesting read that contains some graphic images that may not be suitable for all readers, but if you're at all interested in photojournalism and/or the editorial process then this is a pretty important piece.
http://www.theatlantic.com/features/archive/2014/08/the-war-photo-no-one-would-publish/375762/
http://www.theatlantic.com/features/archive/2014/08/the-war-photo-no-one-would-publish/375762/
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yes it is, and that's part of the point- when journalism becomes sanitized - or worse, a propaganda machine for the gov't - it fails those it's supposed to serve.War is hell
From the gulf war or Vietnam or Korea or WWII. That face is always there.
Maybe it would have been shocking enough to stop some insanity..
I remember as if it were yesterday the little girl who was running toward the
Photographer after being napalmed. And the fireman holding the kid in Oklahoma.
Or the police chief shooting a captured suspect in Vietnam.... One was enough for me
I wished for daughters after the first picture... And my wish has been granted seven times now. Three kids and four grandest kids.
Wow..... I did not forward... In this day and age who knows what snarky thing I would get back.
Now I'm feeling bad....
I remember as if it were yesterday the little girl who was running toward the
Photographer after being napalmed. And the fireman holding the kid in Oklahoma.
Or the police chief shooting a captured suspect in Vietnam.... One was enough for me
I wished for daughters after the first picture... And my wish has been granted seven times now. Three kids and four grandest kids.
Wow..... I did not forward... In this day and age who knows what snarky thing I would get back.
Now I'm feeling bad....
It is seen everyday by combat Vets. War is not sanitized, but do innocent people at home need to see it? I think the horror of war should stay in the combat zone. I did three tours in Viet Nam and I still remember the horror everyday of my life. I certainly did not my wife and children to experience any aspect of that.
EISENHOWER farewell speech: beware the military industrial complexyes it is, and that's part of the point- when journalism becomes sanitized - or worse, a propaganda machine for the gov't - it fails those it's supposed to serve.
Only the ignorant don't realize that this is the reality of war. We have an entire generation of people that wouldn't know reality if it knocked the video game controller or cell phone out of their self absorbed hands.
Makes me want to puke.....
Makes me want to puke.....
I have a lot of respect for combat photographers both civilian and military.
Civilian photographers, don't get rich doing this, but do sometimes pay the ultimate price in their desire to tell the easy living civilians what war is really like.
Military photographers are still soldiers.first photographer second.
I used to know a army photographer who served in Iraq and Afghanistan and in addition to his full pack and weapons, he carried 2 cameras 4 to 5 lenses and all the other ancillaries that go with being a photographer.
War is not pleasant it is not supposed to be. In COD you re spawn, not n the real world.
Civilian photographers, don't get rich doing this, but do sometimes pay the ultimate price in their desire to tell the easy living civilians what war is really like.
Military photographers are still soldiers.first photographer second.
I used to know a army photographer who served in Iraq and Afghanistan and in addition to his full pack and weapons, he carried 2 cameras 4 to 5 lenses and all the other ancillaries that go with being a photographer.
War is not pleasant it is not supposed to be. In COD you re spawn, not n the real world.
I may be misquoting, but I believe C W Gen William Tecumseh Sherman said: War is all Hell"
"The worse it is, the sooner it will be over".
X traindriver Art
"The worse it is, the sooner it will be over".
X traindriver Art
My wife was combat camera. Thankfully, she did little photography during her tour in Iraq and instead got stuck monitoring radios for a headquarters element.I have a lot of respect for combat photographers both civilian and military.
Civilian photographers, don't get rich doing this, but do sometimes pay the ultimate price in their desire to tell the easy living civilians what war is really like.
Military photographers are still soldiers.first photographer second.
I used to know a army photographer who served in Iraq and Afghanistan and in addition to his full pack and weapons, he carried 2 cameras 4 to 5 lenses and all the other ancillaries that go with being a photographer.
War is not pleasant it is not supposed to be. In COD you re spawn, not n the real world.
I hate to think the things she would have been exposed to if she had been in areas that I was.
I was a combat photojournalist for 25 years, no I didn't get rich, however I did survive more or less intact, many of my friends, colleagues and mentors did not. One editor once told me if I wasn't dead by 32 yo then I wasn't working hard enough. Also, I'm a Brit and I can definately say that what is published in the US is edited and sanitized to the extreme. I love the states, I live in Cali, it's just the way it is.
Cheers
D.
Cheers
D.
definitely a good read. However, anyone who needs photos to understand that war is a messy affair has some issues. People like to see them just like people like to watch videos on youtube of motorcycle accidents or people making seriously bad decisions when playing around on skate boards or other. Lets be honest, those photos are merely for entertainment purposes and the WOW factor. Id rather see GOOD, HONEST reporting on the events and decisions that were made that got us into war so we dont commit the same mistakes and possible avoid unnecessary bloodshed. Saving private Ryan was one hell of a movie. Ive never shot at anyone or been shot at but Id say that based on that movie its not something id do unless it was needed. No amount of photos could have the same effect.
About the reporting mentioned above so that the same mistakes are not made. Lets face it. Good reporting is very rare and when done right it doesnt get air time. the same people who decide what photos everyone sees decide what gets airtime. They are selling a product just like GM, Rolex and any other manufacturer of any product that is made for public consumption. It simply wont happen. EVERYONE HAS AN AGENDA>
About the reporting mentioned above so that the same mistakes are not made. Lets face it. Good reporting is very rare and when done right it doesnt get air time. the same people who decide what photos everyone sees decide what gets airtime. They are selling a product just like GM, Rolex and any other manufacturer of any product that is made for public consumption. It simply wont happen. EVERYONE HAS AN AGENDA>
WAR is HELL
COMBAT is a MOTHER ------
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Sorry Slowmo, can't agree with you but I do understand your viewpoint. Are you in fact saying that the public left at home and for who the boys and girls are fighting , should not see the results of the conflict?
This is my last post on this.
Derek
This is my last post on this.
Derek
By no means at all -- lets see it all and get the censors out of the way because lets face it that is what they are. Ive never had much appetite for US based reporting. What i am saying is that anyone who needs photos to understand how dangerous a place the world is needs to get out and travel. Photos are good but understanding the events is far more important and the way things are set up right now its impossible. We get next to zero information. Anyone remember eugene hasenfus, john hull or lewis tambs? Yes it was a long time ago but mostly because it gets no air time. I have seen the picture in question many times, i have seen some ugly things in Mexico and in colombia but life goes on. Its strange - in mexico someone hanging from a bridge with their head cut off or 43 students disappear and nothing gets done - people get numb and desensitized and dont even notice anymore. IMO because they know nothing is going to change because the truth never comes out. Honest reporting in mexico?? LOL no need for pictures - its in everyone's face. Live!Sorry Slowmo, can't agree with you but I do understand your viewpoint. Are you in fact saying that the public left at home and for who the boys and girls are fighting , should not see the results of the conflict?
This is my last post on this.
Derek
Yes! The average citizen does not need to see everything.It is seen everyday by combat Vets. War is not sanitized, but do innocent people at home need to see it? I think the horror of war should stay in the combat zone. I did three tours in Viet Nam and I still remember the horror everyday of my life. I certainly did not my wife and children to experience any aspect of that.
The fact that war is hellish should be enough to convince politicians to give our guys all the equipment and the green light needed to get it over with as quickly and thoroughly as possible. No tying their hands behind their backs, playing around for years trying to win "hearts and minds" garbage.
Let our guys win the war, bury the enemy, and then come home.
It is seen everyday by combat Vets. War is not sanitized, but do innocent people at home need to see it? I think the horror of war should stay in the combat zone. I did three tours in Viet Nam and I still remember the horror everyday of my life. I certainly did not my wife and children to experience any aspect of that.
Thank you for your service. I did not serve. 5 years ago I went to the orient. Thought I might get to stop in Viet Nam. My brother had been in Viet Nam in the mid 60's. He and I have never spoken about the war. I asked him before I left if he ever thought about Viet Nam. He said, every day. I am sorry for your memories. Because of people like you and him that made my life easier. Thank you.
I had read combat reporters and photographers were basically spoon fed pics and data
to allow only that info reported to the great unwashed back home in Hooterville.Cant
for the life of me remember the Adjective used to describe being buried from fire fights,
insurgent attacks. But "Buried" is close cousin to it.
A well informed public is a better public IMO.
Herr Goebels kept bad news from the German people. Some more of that sanitizing I
aver
to allow only that info reported to the great unwashed back home in Hooterville.Cant
for the life of me remember the Adjective used to describe being buried from fire fights,
insurgent attacks. But "Buried" is close cousin to it.
A well informed public is a better public IMO.
Herr Goebels kept bad news from the German people. Some more of that sanitizing I
aver
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