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Just discovered this Korean watch brand, Tissel. They seem to specialize in homage watches, not rip offs.

Their catalog shows aviator watches similar to Laco and Bauhaus models similar to Nomos. They also do Sub homages in several dial colors.

The Subs have cases 40mm wide and 12mm thick. The movement is the excellent Miyota 9015 and the crystal is sapphire, and best of all the bezel is ceramic with engraved markers. WR 200mm



These can be ordered without the cyclops.



Tisell Moon Phase




Checkout their models on this site, I’m planning on trying one out real soon, perhaps a Sub to replace my now DOA and discarded Invicta Pro Diver, to be my designated “Bond on the cheap” watch

The Sub is $195 delivered. Check it out.


http://shop2.tisellkr.cafe24.com/

P.S. WUS already has a 140 page thread on this brand, with hardly any negative remarks.
 

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Those divers are rebranded Sub copies. I wouldn't be too surprised if you could find the original versions of their other watches with a bit of googlle fu.
 

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Those divers are rebranded Sub copies. I wouldn't be too surprised if you could find the original versions of their other watches with a bit of googlle fu.

Re-Branded from what? I don't ever recall seeing this type of watch with the Miyota 9015, Sapphire Crystal, and Ceramic bezel???
 

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It's a fake Rolex - you see thousands of them in Asia - with a different brand printed on the dial and a sapphire caseback.

Everything is identical, right down to the colour options.
 

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It's a fake Rolex - you see thousands of them in Asia - with a different brand printed on the dial and a sapphire caseback.

Everything is identical, right down to the colour options.
It's no more a fake Rolex then a Squale or a Steinhart, since Rolex patent designs ran out many decades ago, making a watch that is a homage isn't illegal nor imoral.

This watch doesent have a display case back either, and I don't know of any Sub Homages that use a Miyota 9015 other then this brand.
 

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Perhaps you're missing my point. This is exactly the same fake Rolex you'll see on a roadside table in Thailand, except they've changed the caseback. Exactly the same components, right down to the font used on the ceramic bezel and lume pip treatment.

Steinhart do not use a fake Rolex case. Or, if they do, it is the cheapest level of fake, because it looks quite different and wouldn't fool anybody who's ever handled a Rolex. I'm not sure that Squale use fake Rolex cases, I'm not sure that they don't - I just don't know.

The way a Rolex case is made is very cheap once you've invested in the capital, but the capital investment is significant. They are forged (stamped) from stock metal using huge presses and dies, before final machining and polishing. The fakes are made the same way, so that they look the same. There's obviously a stack of money to be made selling fake Subs, so somebody in Asia invested in all this tooling way back. Who knows how many fake factories there are now, but I'm guessing not many due to the huge investment required, when there is already a perfectly good press capable of stamping out thousands of the things every day. It's inconceivable that a tiny brand like Tisell has their own forge and presses that just happen to stamp out exact copies of Sub cases - they're going to an existing enterprise and buying up fake Rolexes, and having a different name printed on the dial.

You can get them with pretty much any movement, from the cheapest Chinese rubbish to ETA 2824.

I'm not saying buy or don't buy the watch. I couldn't care less. But a lot of people have issues with buying fakes for various reasons, so I thought it pertinent to mention that this is a fake watch, rebranded. So these people who choose not to support the fake watch industry know to avoid this watch (and possibly the brand).

We're here to educate, inform, share, and learn, right?

EDIT: not sure why I thought it has a display back, must have misread the OP. Then it's a 1:1 copy!
 

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This brand has a long thread on WUS as well. I don't recall of hearing that orders were not filled or there were any issues receiving product and the folks who have posted that have received one appear to be quite happy with them. As long as there is no branding I'd be happy calling it an homage. I don't wear this sort of thing but if you do the reviews have been good. Buy one and be happy :) .
 

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I here a lot of people on forums saying Squale is a knock off, a homage , a fake, but in the same breath they praise Steinhert for their difference and originality.

Time for a lesson


ABOUT SQUALE
Basel 2014
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Founded in 1946 by "von Büren S.A. / Montres" (Neuchâtel / Swiss) the Squale brand is
pioneer in the creation, evolution and development of dive watches. Swiss Made professional diving watches with their own unique designlanguage. Back in 1946 " von Büren S.A / Montres" started to produce watches and watchcases as they saw the need for reliable , safe and elegant divewatches.

Founder Charles von Büren was a passionate diver and tried and tested his watches by himself ,with his
findings in real life situations he redesigned and developed them to perfection. Various large and smaller watchbrands started to use Squale as a specialist supplier when diving became a popular sport in the 1960 and they needed dive watches in their assortment fast. At that point in time Squale was a divewatch that was mainly sold in specialist dive shop rather the jewelry shops and had years long experience and knowledge in designing dive watches.
The famous and unique “von Büren” cases quickly became
the blueprint for the perfect diving watch. Form follows function, minimalistic design, high quality ,elegant and reliable. The basics of every Squale watch.

In 1950 “von Büren S.A./ Montres" started to produce their own range of professional dive watche
s under the Squale brandname marking the beginning of the brands institutional history. Squale became the dive watch of choice for worldchampions freediving and spearfishing like Jaques Mayol, Maria Treleani ,Jean
Tapu, Tony Salvatori and the Cuban national team of 1967. Diving was considered a extreme sport back then and the dive
watch was a necessary part of the safety equipment.
A helium release valve is a potential riskfactor and a part that can easily fail. Squale as a specialist divewatch manufacturer saw this safety problem and invented a way to overcome this and therefore increase safety and reliability.

End 1960`s Squale introduced the first Squale 1000 meter divers
watch with the
unique glass on flexible double mountings that didn’t use or needed a Helium release valve anymore, which
was a unique safety feature and a novelty of great importance. A dive watch should be safe and
reliable in any condition. Even today this is the brand philosophy of Squale watches.

Squale supplied the elite corps of a large number of armed forces, amongst
these where the "Folgore
Brigade" part of the Italian Airforces , the Italian Navy’s Diving Corps and the French Special naval commandos better know as “bérets verts” All this has made Squale synonymous as a specialist and the benchmark brand for professional dive
watches internationally, a status it still enjoys after decades.

The
name Squale is a translation of the word “shark” from the French dialect spoken in the Neuch âtel region where von Büren S.A. Montres originates. The Squale brand logo consists of a Shark and the family weapon of the von Büren family.
Squale is now family owned in the third generation by the Italian Maggi Family who where the former
distributors of von Büren / Squale watches in Italy and are still close family friends of the von Büren Family
After the retirement of founder Charles von Büren the Maggi family acquired the Squale brand and continued to produce Squale watches in the spirit and vision of the founder Charles von Büren up to this day.
Squale watches nowadays has their head office in the centre of the beautiful city of Milan and a production facility in the Jura region in Switzerland Squale watches are Swiss made and assembled by master watchmakers in Switzerland and that take great pride in producing and protecting the Squale legacy of providing reliable , superbly designed and elegant professional dive watches.

:yo:

 

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Has anybody seen pics or footage of Squale's Swiss production facility? Not the assembly room, but the manufacture of the actual cases?
If you take a good look at the case on the Tisell it looks more akin to a Tudor Black Bay then a Sub, and the crown guards are not Sub like at all, take another hard look.

I have no idea who actually makes their cases, since they are Korean, maybe they do, maybe the Chinese.
 

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I here a lot of people on forums saying Squale is a knock off, a homage , a fake, but in the same breath they praise Steinhert for their difference and originality.

Time for a lesson


ABOUT SQUALE
Basel 2014
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Founded in 1946 by "von Büren S.A. / Montres" (Neuchâtel / Swiss) the Squale brand is
pioneer in the creation, evolution and development of dive watches. Swiss Made professional diving watches with their own unique designlanguage. Back in 1946 " von Büren S.A / Montres" started to produce watches and watchcases as they saw the need for reliable , safe and elegant divewatches.

Founder Charles von Büren was a passionate diver and tried and tested his watches by himself ,with his
findings in real life situations he redesigned and developed them to perfection. Various large and smaller watchbrands started to use Squale as a specialist supplier when diving became a popular sport in the 1960 and they needed dive watches in their assortment fast. At that point in time Squale was a divewatch that was mainly sold in specialist dive shop rather the jewelry shops and had years long experience and knowledge in designing dive watches.
The famous and unique “von Büren” cases quickly became
the blueprint for the perfect diving watch. Form follows function, minimalistic design, high quality ,elegant and reliable. The basics of every Squale watch.

In 1950 “von Büren S.A./ Montres" started to produce their own range of professional dive watche
s under the Squale brandname marking the beginning of the brands institutional history. Squale became the dive watch of choice for worldchampions freediving and spearfishing like Jaques Mayol, Maria Treleani ,Jean
Tapu, Tony Salvatori and the Cuban national team of 1967. Diving was considered a extreme sport back then and the dive
watch was a necessary part of the safety equipment.
A helium release valve is a potential riskfactor and a part that can easily fail. Squale as a specialist divewatch manufacturer saw this safety problem and invented a way to overcome this and therefore increase safety and reliability.

End 1960`s Squale introduced the first Squale 1000 meter divers
watch with the
unique glass on flexible double mountings that didn’t use or needed a Helium release valve anymore, which
was a unique safety feature and a novelty of great importance. A dive watch should be safe and
reliable in any condition. Even today this is the brand philosophy of Squale watches.

Squale supplied the elite corps of a large number of armed forces, amongst
these where the "Folgore
Brigade" part of the Italian Airforces , the Italian Navy’s Diving Corps and the French Special naval commandos better know as “bérets verts” All this has made Squale synonymous as a specialist and the benchmark brand for professional dive
watches internationally, a status it still enjoys after decades.

The
name Squale is a translation of the word “shark” from the French dialect spoken in the Neuch âtel region where von Büren S.A. Montres originates. The Squale brand logo consists of a Shark and the family weapon of the von Büren family.
Squale is now family owned in the third generation by the Italian Maggi Family who where the former
distributors of von Büren / Squale watches in Italy and are still close family friends of the von Büren Family
After the retirement of founder Charles von Büren the Maggi family acquired the Squale brand and continued to produce Squale watches in the spirit and vision of the founder Charles von Büren up to this day.
Squale watches nowadays has their head office in the centre of the beautiful city of Milan and a production facility in the Jura region in Switzerland Squale watches are Swiss made and assembled by master watchmakers in Switzerland and that take great pride in producing and protecting the Squale legacy of providing reliable , superbly designed and elegant professional dive watches.

:yo:


It's my understanding that there entire 1545 line of watches is made on contract for Gnommen, and you cannot find any of these models on Squale's own home website. So who knows who makes the cases???
 

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It's my understanding that there entire 1545 line of watches is made on contract for Gnommen, and you cannot find any of these models on Squale's own home website. So who knows who makes the cases???
http://www.squalewatches.com/

And. you can always contact these guys. They worked closely with Squale
https://www.pageandcooper.com/blog/squale-1521-legend-continues/

And it seems like they have a lot more history than Steinhart, which are made in the same region of Switzerland as Squale.
https://www.hodinkee.com/articles/blood-in-the-water-water-in-its-blood-a-brief-history-of-squale
 

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seems like a great way to feed the dive tool or FLIEGER jones without mortgaging your 1st born-

the price is right


9015 & ceramic bezel nice upgrades
 

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If you take a good look at the case on the Tisell it looks more akin to a Tudor Black Bay then a Sub, and the crown guards are not Sub like at all, take another hard look.

I have no idea who actually makes their cases, since they are Korean, maybe they do, maybe the Chinese.
I dunno. 40mm and 12mm sounds a lot like a sub. The BB is a lot thicker than a sub.
 

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If you take a good look at the case on the Tisell it looks more akin to a Tudor Black Bay then a Sub, and the crown guards are not Sub like at all, take another hard look.

I have no idea who actually makes their cases, since they are Korean, maybe they do, maybe the Chinese.
I dunno. 40mm and 12mm sounds a lot like a sub. The BB is a lot thicker than a sub.
 

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If you take a good look at the case on the Tisell it looks more akin to a Tudor Black Bay then a Sub, and the crown guards are not Sub like at all, take another hard look.



I have no idea who actually makes their cases, since they are Korean, maybe they do, maybe the Chinese.

Yeah but the Black Bay has no crown guards, so that's not a good comparison


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