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Old 07-20-2012, 09:31 PM   #1 (permalink)
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ok..I love Stuhrling watches..i own 7 stuhrling watches including a perfect rose gold tourbillon i received for my 50th birthday from my wife..I use to buy Invictas but they went to so many quartz watches that I find stuhrling much more appealing. just wanted to say that. However,I am having issues with the last 3 watches i have bought from stuhrling. my 2 ozzies both have a coating covering the under side of the krysterna crystals and so does the new Delphi Achilles Rubber Strap Watch i just received last week. I can only see this at the right angle and it shows up worst in the sun. Has any one else experienced this?? seems that 3 of my watches have this issue so i would assume alot more have that issue as well. I am sure its an easy fix but its still going to cost me 40.00 to have each watch fixed. thats 120.00 if i want to get all 3 crystals removed and cleaned and replaced...thats all. i hope some one can tell me if there is a system wide failure and Stuhrling is sending out dirty krysterna crystals....thanks ...Fred in Frisco
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Hi SF watch guy. I noticed a similar phenomenon looking at one of my SO watches at an oblique angle in the sun. It looked like a swirly film to me. Perhaps that is similar? I was thinking it was a Krysterna "feature".

does yours look like a film too?
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Hate to say it my friend,
Its not just Stuhrling Watches.
I have come across numerous watches with that foggy crystal problem. I have even bought a few watches on ebay that had this problem on the cheap because of the problem.
Ill tell you what i know.
It MAY BE partially due to bad quality checks. Could be that the person assembling the watch used a previously used crystal wiping clothe , smearing the glass inside. Or lastly, the watch may have been assembled in a high humidity area with out proper ventilation.
But those things wont make the glass foggy by itself. And its NOT THE SEALS.
I have noticed on just about EVERY watch with this problem has been a mechanical or a automatic.
I have read in numerous places online of other watch makers having this problem with new watches. Especially when the watches are sat in a window in sunlight.
Most think its due to the movement running in high heat areas . The Oil on the jewels evaporate slightly with use, and this mist is what coats the glass, I believe that cleaning the glass with a slightly dirty rag will catch more oil.
I learned how to service my own movements to avoid being raped over a barrel with costs for these little repairs.
It doesnt take much work to clean your own inner watch crystals.
I learned from the numerous Youtube videos on the subject.
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Old 07-28-2012, 10:53 PM   #4 (permalink)
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yes...its very ugly in the sun...i have 3 stuhrlings that have this problem..i wont be buying any more til i figure out what is the problem..
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Old 07-29-2012, 01:19 AM   #5 (permalink)
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No expert answer here...but I have heard EXACTLY the same reasons for foggy crystals as CHT gave you. A combination of environment/temp changes that causes the evaporation and condensation of both moisture and the oils on the movement. And again, mostly on autos and manuals.

Only other possibility that comes to mind is submersion leaks.
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Old 09-18-2012, 03:43 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Interesting note. I'll keep an eye on my collection.
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Got the equipment and disassembled my Bomber. Had a "fog" on the lens (not h20) I can't explain this , but it cleaned up very easy, a soft lens cloth and careful hands along with a clean work table helped. Re assembled and it works like a charm and now the inside is crystal clear. It was present from the start, you just had to tip the lens the right way to see it. Where it came from, is anyone's guess.
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I've had watches with this issue also, all were Chinese made.
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I have several SO watches and knock on wood, no foggy crystal problems.
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Got the equipment and disassembled my Bomber. Had a "fog" on the lens (not h20) I can't explain this , but it cleaned up very easy, a soft lens cloth and careful hands along with a clean work table helped. Re assembled and it works like a charm and now the inside is crystal clear. It was present from the start, you just had to tip the lens the right way to see it. Where it came from, is anyone's guess.
if it wasn't from H2O, then i would suspect something in the lubricating oils caused the "fogging"

the majority of the stuff you clean off the inside of your car windshield is actually from chemicals in the interior plastics evaporating (for lack of a better term).
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Got the equipment and disassembled my Bomber. Had a "fog" on the lens (not h20) I can't explain this , but it cleaned up very easy, a soft lens cloth and careful hands along with a clean work table helped. Re assembled and it works like a charm and now the inside is crystal clear. It was present from the start, you just had to tip the lens the right way to see it. Where it came from, is anyone's guess.
if it wasn't from H2O, then i would suspect something in the lubricating oils caused the "fogging"

the majority of the stuff you clean off the inside of your car windshield is actually from chemicals in the interior plastics evaporating (for lack of a better term).






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That makes sense. Thanks.
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I don't think there is a single brand that hasn't had this problem and it seems to be very random. I have come across a lot of watches that had something (?) on the inside of the crystals from just about every brand a lot of people I know that bought them in big department stores and mall jewelers. Probably because these people bring me these watches to work on are not high rollers all they can afford is brands like Seiko, Citizen, Bulova, Movado etc. My friends with the high end watches bring them to a professional to service and truthfully I wouldn't touch a high end watch unless it was my own. One girl I know brought me her Raymond Weil with the fogged over underside of the crystal. I don't know what it is but it does clean off very easy. I don't know exactly what causes it but I would believe what Rod says.

Recently I got an old Citizen that a friend said thought needed a new crystal. When I saw it I saw a pattern to the marks on the inside of the crystal. I put on a loupe and could easily see it was a finger print! Good enough to get a good print from. I don't know if it happened in the factory or maybe if it was serviced in the past but it was there. It was probably invisible but as time when by and either fine dust got in, moisture or the oil evaporating inside it worked like finger print dust and made it very prominent.

As far as it happening to me, I have tons of watches and I have not noticed it on a single one. YET! It could be environment, Because I collect guitars I keep the humidity at the 45-55% range year round.
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That's interesting . Come to think about it , the haze in my watch looked like fingerprints , although I didn't get up close with a loupa to see .
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I had 4 of their watches and all of them came up with this issue so I stopped buying Stuhrling period! I even got one of their Tourby's and my watch guy had to clean it up. Just not acceptable.
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Should be interesting to see if a haze comes back over time . That will tell the tail of product issues or not
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BUNP...
Just curious as its been a few years. All foggy chrystals I have seen are on new, or never cleaned cyrstals. Has anybody cleaned the inside of their crystal and had the fog come back?
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Just curious as its been a few years. All foggy chrystals I have seen are on new, or never cleaned cyrstals. Has anybody cleaned the inside of their crystal and had the fog come back?
It's been a few years since I posted this . The fog has not come back .. my thoughts are that the fog was a over oiling issue and exposure to great temp variation in the shipping (china? -USA ) methods . I have two other Stuhrlings that never fogged , so it may be hasty assembly to blame .
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