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Default Jean Marcel: The "Caviar Of Pure Swiss Watches"

There may be some problems with the claims made by Mr. Kalina about his watches. Armand Nicolet was never very happy about being confused with the chinese made tv brand called which is a croton brand. It is interesting to observe that he claims to have been vp of marketing for Bulova yet at the same time was part of nicolet.





Jean Marcel Watches - The fine line between expense and investment

Jean Marcel is the 100% Pure Swiss watch brand and the No. 1 Global producer of "Limited Edition" complications. To insure exclusivity, only 300 pieces of each model are produced for worldwide sales. Exclusive means only 299 other people in the world can wear the same watch as you.

Award winning Jean Marcel has almost a century of fine, Pure Swiss watchmaking history and is the two time winner of the highest Swiss design and manufacturing award, the Golden Roses Award.

Jean Marcel is considered the champagne and caviar of Pure Swiss watches and has earned an international reputation for manufacturing the finest hand finished, pure Swiss mechanical "Limited Edition" timepieces.

With the secure investment of a Jean Marcel watch, you will have the assurance of an exceptional product of Swiss Master Watchmakers that will always reflect your distinctive personality and individualism.


http://www.jeanmarcelwatches.com/
















I am curious how this brand is being sold in the US as the main website which is EU based makes a claim not to ship outside the EU.

"Dear Visitor,

please note that we currently ship to countries within the European Union only."



http://www.jeanmarcel.com/


"Jean Marcel: The most understated German brand?"

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Some background: the watchmaker was established in 1981 in Baden-Baden, which is in the southern part of Germany. You might be already thinking: how does a German company get a French-sounding name? Well that came about because founder Jürgen Kuhn named it after an employee from French-speaking Switzerland.
http://www.europastar.com/news/10040...man-brand.html



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Contrary to what its name might suggest, the Jean Marcel brand is actually German, more precisely from Baden-Baden in the south. Launched in 1981 by Jürgen Kuhn (and named after an employee originally from French-speaking Switzerland!), it is now run by the founder and his son, Marcel. “We come from a family of Pforzheim watchmakers and my son, who is in charge of business development, is the fourth Kuhn generation in the watch industry,” proudly explains Jürgen Kuhn. Jean Marcel can rely on the strength of the German market, as domestic sales now represent 80% of its turnover. The brand is, however, Swiss-made: “We assemble our watches in Switzerland with partners, for a total production of about 3,000 watches a year (80% automatic and 20% quartz). Without exception we are using ETA automatic movements for our mechanical collection.”
REBOOSTING EXPORTS
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While the brand has recently focused on the German market, it now seeks to expand internationally. “Ten years ago, we registered good results in the United States and the Middle East, but our partners have changed their management and we unfortunately lost our privileged relations on these markets. It is difficult to find good distributors but these are definitely two priority markets to develop.



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Presidnt and owner at Euro-Time International
Owner and President at Jean Marcel Pure Swiss timepieces
Former Started at the bottom of the ladder and learned my way up Hary BULOVA Henshel was my Godfather who taught me everything about the watch business fo almost 30 years. at Bulova Watch Co.
Studied Business Finance/Marketing at Wayne State University
Studied Radio/TV Production, Communications at Emerson College
Studied Business/Fashion Marketing at Fashion Institute of Technology
Studied Business Finance/Marketing at NYU
Studied Buniness/ finance/marketing at Hofstra University
Went to Cheshire Academy
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A lot of "studying" but apparently did not graduate. When did you find the time to work for 30 years for "god Father" Bulova?
Lives in Lake Worth, Florida
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At Kalina's LinkedIn page:

https://www.linkedin.com/in/richard-kalina-b83741b

Apart from the fact that he has a Linkedin page, him being older than Mort by a long shot, there's some tidbits that are telling:

Vice President Sales and Marketing- Partner and owner
Nicolet International Watch Company
January 1994 – December 1996 (3 years)
Largest private-label watch company producer in the U.S. and Canadian market. Produced watches for the largest retail jewelry chains and independent retail jewelers. Also marketed Nicolet brand watches for the U.S. market and Canada.


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Co-Owner
co-owner of Nicolet Watch Co.
1989 – 1991 (2 years)
Largest Private Label ( brand) watch producer in the U..S. market








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^^^ This represents a great deal of research on your part.
My only question is why?
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^^^ This represents a great deal of research on your part.
My only question is why?



The why is that the person discussed has been trolling several FB groups about why they suck and his "vast" experience in the world of swiss watches. According to his many claims he was working as a VP at Bulova yet the owner of Nicolet watches at the same time.



He claims Nicolet is or was the largest private maker of watches in the US or Canada. There is no record of a Nicolet watch company listed in NY or Canada. Just another shill who has apparently taken to FB to push is products or expertise. Nicolet are croton watches, nothing more.
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^^^ This represents a great deal of research on your part.
My only question is why?

He's bored I guess and tired of railing about Invicta!
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He's bored I guess and tired of railing about Invicta!
I was just waiting for Invicta to take some sort of blame for something, somewhere in his incoherent rant.
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I was just waiting for Invicta to take some sort of blame for something, somewhere in his incoherent rant.
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I was just waiting for Invicta to take some sort of blame for something, somewhere in his incoherent rant.

My incoherent rant as you say has facts which I know you care little about or even know about. Same thing applies to you, when you have done something for this hobby let me know. What amuses me are knee jerk reactions by folks who know little about the hobby, history or technology. You own a watch, so does my 10 year old grand daughter. She knows as little about it as you know about your watches.



But I will say this to Chazman, have a good Veterans Day from one Vet to another.
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Well my 4,364 posts here, as compared to your 408 would tell a different story.
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Well, well...If it isn't the Crusader against all that is not righteously Swiss. Do us all a favor and get a life man...
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"Swiss made" hardly means what it used to. even though Swiss law raised the percentage a watches manufacturing costs need to be in order to be allowed the holy stamp of "Swiss made" from 50% to 60%, that still leave quite a bit of wiggle room for a watch company to throw in a smattering of components from pretty much anywhere else. or severely cheap out on every other aspect of the watch so the swiss movement makes up necessary 60% by itself.



in most cases, simply putting in a Swiss movement is enough for a watch to be within the minimum 60% rule and even when that isn't enough, simply being allowed to put "Swiss movt" on the dial is usually enough to placate (or fool) the casual or even semi-enthusiast into believing they are purchasing a fine Swiss timepiece.



the biggest example of this is the million kickstarter microbrands pumping out watches like a pez dispenser, throwing in an ETA movement, stamping "Swiss made" on the dial, and charging $1k+ for what really amounts to a $400 watch.

God forbid they only make 3000 of them...then they can stamp LE on the caseback and charge double....and people are lining up in the streets to buy them.



dont get me wrong..im a big fan of microbrands. i own a number of them...zelos, prometheus, straton, nezumi...but the most expensive microbrand i own is my prometheus zenobia and it was $550 brand new with an ETA 2824 movement with some really nice diver specs including 500m WR and a ratcheting dive clasp. and there isnt a whiff of "Swiss" stamped anywhere on that watch, even though it has a Swiss movement.



nowadays, I think the "Swiss made" craze is just an excuse newer watch companies are using to sell watches at overinflated prices to a generally ignorant crowd.

im not one to tell people how to spend their money, but it doesn't take a watch savant to understand that a watchmaker doing the bare minimum to allow them to stamp the word "swiss" on their dials is not necessarily indicative of the overall quality, or monetary value, of their watches. yet, most microbrands would have you believe that anything they stamp "swiss made" on is worth at least $1k.

I tend to disagree, mostly with my wallet, but what the hell do I know...
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"Swiss made" hardly means what it used to. even though Swiss law raised the percentage a watches manufacturing costs need to be in order to be allowed the holy stamp of "Swiss made" from 50% to 60%, that still leave quite a bit of wiggle room for a watch company to throw in a smattering of components from pretty much anywhere else. or severely cheap out on every other aspect of the watch so the swiss movement makes up necessary 60% by itself.



in most cases, simply putting in a Swiss movement is enough for a watch to be within the minimum 60% rule and even when that isn't enough, simply being allowed to put "Swiss movt" on the dial is usually enough to placate (or fool) the casual or even semi-enthusiast into believing they are purchasing a fine Swiss timepiece.



the biggest example of this is the million kickstarter microbrands pumping out watches like a pez dispenser, throwing in an ETA movement, stamping "Swiss made" on the dial, and charging $1k+ for what really amounts to a $400 watch.

God forbid they only make 3000 of them...then they can stamp LE on the caseback and charge double....and people are lining up in the streets to buy them.



dont get me wrong..im a big fan of microbrands. i own a number of them...zelos, prometheus, straton, nezumi...but the most expensive microbrand i own is my prometheus zenobia and it was $550 brand new with an ETA 2824 movement with some really nice diver specs including 500m WR and a ratcheting dive clasp. and there isnt a whiff of "Swiss" stamped anywhere on that watch, even though it has a Swiss movement.



nowadays, I think the "Swiss made" craze is just an excuse newer watch companies are using to sell watches at overinflated prices to a generally ignorant crowd.

im not one to tell people how to spend their money, but it doesn't take a watch savant to understand that a watchmaker doing the bare minimum to allow them to stamp the word "swiss" on their dials is not necessarily indicative of the overall quality, or monetary value, of their watches. yet, most microbrands would have you believe that anything they stamp "swiss made" on is worth at least $1k.

I tend to disagree, mostly with my wallet, but what the hell do I know...
I agree 100%, and to be honest, in a Microbrand watch, I would rather it have a Seiko NH35 movement over an ETA. Saves money and almost every Seiko 4R36 or NH35 movement watches I own are more accurate on average to any of the ETAs I have.
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Well, well...If it isn't the Crusader against all that is not righteously Swiss. Do us all a favor and get a life man...

You really are an ignorant troll. you remind me of the watchgeeks showing off their $30 "swiss made" in china Invicta watches, wrist shots taken before sending them back to shopnbc. Perhaps you should actually learn something about watches other than they are shiny.



As to "getting a life", I waited to respond to this because I actually have a life including kids, grandkids and a great grandson as well. Oh wait, I also run a forum, take part in charity events and travel. Hmm. sorry, I will try to get a better life after I celebrate my eldest daughter's birthday this evening. Veterans day and a birthday rolled into one. Getting a life might even mean I could spend some time and clean off the drive way. And yes, that is my home and one of my cars. I do not own a Ferrari but do own a couple of Corvettes. I also own watches that are not "Swiss Made".













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Mr. Kalina down below responding to a question from a retired Army Fire Chief who is also a watch collector and whom he has trolled. Word salad at best. Silly troll that you are, you still do not understand that there are too many shills out there lying to watch collectors or just the casual watch buyer to take their hard earned money.









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Well my 4,364 posts here, as compared to your 408 would tell a different story.



Geez, did you really post that? I founded a forum 10 years ago which is still going strong and also support a second watch forum. You are comparing post counts? Sorry but I have a life. How geekish of you. As I said, when you have done something for this hobby let me know.









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Oh, i wanted to mention, lest anyone get the wrong impression....i have nothing against swiss timepieces. I love them as much as i love any other timepiece i enjoy wearing.
I just think the term is being way overused and overvalued nowadays.

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Geez, did you really post that? I founded a forum 10 years ago which is still going strong and also support a second watch forum. You are comparing post counts? Sorry but I have a life. How geekish of you. As I said, when you have done something for this hobby let me know.









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Funny, I never heard of any of your Watch Forums, they certainly don't seem to be very popular with normal watch lovers.

Your pontificating here and going off like your unhinged when it comes to Invicta kind of detracts from your "Expert" (in your mind) status.


To be honest you come off as a Watch Snob of the 1st Order!

Congrats on your home, very nice, just the kind one would imagine a Watch Snob would live in!

I myself prefer to live in a much smaller home, albeit in a gated (2 guards per shift) resort retirement community right across the private street from our 18 hole golf course.

Corvettes for someone in their late sixties early seventies seems to me to be a testosterone boost to their lack of youth egos!

At 73 I'm comfortable in my position in life and settled for something that I can actually get in and out of without going to the Chiropractor twice a week, a brand New RAV4.

My status in life and my comfortability in my own skin doesn't have me wanting to drive cars that make me feel young again, I am cognizant that I am not young anymore and don't have to resort to a late in Life Crisis!

P.S. When you can accomplish what I have in your life time, come back and see me, here's my Bona Fides!

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"Funny, I never heard of any of your Watch Forums, they certainly don't seem to be very popular with normal watch lovers.



Well quite a few folks have heard of the forums, one, BDWF was around in 2004, and WL was started in 2009.


Your pontificating here and going off like your unhinged when it comes to Invicta kind of detracts from your "Expert" (in your mind) status.


To be honest you come off as a Watch Snob of the 1st Order!


As I type this response wearing a timex.... Typical geek response by you.


Congrats on your home, very nice, just the kind one would imagine a Watch Snob would live in!


It was my late wife's dream home slick. Again, a typical watchgeek response by you.

Some the watches this watch snob owns and wears beside Swiss ones.



















I myself prefer to live in a much smaller home, albeit in a gated (2 guards per shift) resort retirement community right across the private street from our 18 hole golf course.


I would prefer to look at the gardens my wife and children designed and put together which overlook the 4 acre lake on the property. But as I do not play golf a country club to me is moot.


Corvettes for someone in their late sixties early seventies seems to me to be a testosterone boost to their lack of youth egos!


I purchased my first corvette way back in 73, a 58 model with a 283. I was overseas at the time but my father purchased for me from a family friend. Sold it to purchase the 67 Jag E type in the photo.And yes, my wife is wearing a mink coat.

I guess she must have been a snob too. Oh wait, she was a medical professional who not only overcame an 8 month stay in a hospital, a renal transplant and other health issues over the course of her lifetime, but found enough time to donate to the homeless and HIV patients.

I guess that is why over 300 folks came to her services after her passing.





As to trying to get a "testosterone boost". I enjoy being my age especially since in 2014 I was severely injured by another driver who totaled my Range Rover (snobish SUV), killed himself, put me into a coma for a week with Septic shock from two bowel perforations and organ failure.


And 8 weeks later surviving 3 blood clots in my lungs along with a leg and groin full of smaller clots. It took this snob 7 months to get back to my office with 4 of those confined either to a bed or wheelchair.






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At 73 I'm comfortable in my position in life and settled for something that I can actually get in and out of without going to the Chiropractor twice a week, a brand New RAV4.


My 23 year grandson has one as well. He seems to enjoy it. I own a couple of Range Rovers. I know, snob SUVs but I have owned Rovers for over 30 years now.


My status in life and my comfortability in my own skin doesn't have me wanting to drive cars that make me feel young again, I am cognizant that I am not young anymore and don't have to resort to a late in Life Crisis!


See previous comments by me on that topic.

P.S. When you can accomplish what I have in your life time, come back and see me, here's my Bona Fides!


Not sure why anyone would try to resort to such a pointless argument. I also have no idea why you would point me to a website that shows you served as a Marine. I have already commented on that and mentioned that I hoped you had a good Veterans Day, one Vet to another.

I was in the Air Force, not the Corps. I enlisted in 69 which is after you left the service. I also participated in the Sea Asia War Games 71-72 something I try to forget most of the time. Carol also served there as an Army Nurse.


My old C6, now replaced with a C7 just because I wanted more testosterone boost.





She is getting a Stingray on the hood by a local company.







As far as your "bona fides" go, you have earned your way through life. My comment was and still is, what have you contributed to horology that makes you or the troll enzo experts this hobby besides post counts here? That is the only thing that matters to me. If you want to comment on something that is fine but at least have some knowledge of what you speak of. Invicta is not the only brand out there that lies to the public, that is a well known fact. They are just the worst of them in my opinion.





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Oh, i wanted to mention, lest anyone get the wrong impression....i have nothing against swiss timepieces. I love them as much as i love any other timepiece i enjoy wearing.
I just think the term is being way overused and overvalued nowadays.

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Agreed but some companies make claims that do not hold water in terms of where they are made. the words Swiss Mvt being one of the frauds since that is not a term the Swiss Federation approves of. Using that implies one thing but in reality the term does not really mean a Swiss Movement according to the Federation rules.
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Well quite a few folks have heard of the forums, one, BDWF was around in 2004, and WL was started in 2009.


Your pontificating here and going off like your unhinged when it comes to Invicta kind of detracts from your "Expert" (in your mind) status.


To be honest you come off as a Watch Snob of the 1st Order!


As I type this response wearing a timex.... Typical geek response by you.


Congrats on your home, very nice, just the kind one would imagine a Watch Snob would live in!


It was my late wife's dream home slick. Again, a typical watchgeek response by you.

Some the watches this watch snob owns and wears beside Swiss ones.



















I myself prefer to live in a much smaller home, albeit in a gated (2 guards per shift) resort retirement community right across the private street from our 18 hole golf course.


I would prefer to look at the gardens my wife and children designed and put together which overlook the 4 acre lake on the property. But as I do not play golf a country club to me is moot.


Corvettes for someone in their late sixties early seventies seems to me to be a testosterone boost to their lack of youth egos!


I purchased my first corvette way back in 73, a 58 model with a 283. I was overseas at the time but my father purchased for me from a family friend. Sold it to purchase the 67 Jag E type in the photo.And yes, my wife is wearing a mink coat.

I guess she must have been a snob too. Oh wait, she was a medical professional who not only overcame an 8 month stay in a hospital, a renal transplant and other health issues over the course of her lifetime, but found enough time to donate to the homeless and HIV patients.

I guess that is why over 300 folks came to her services after her passing.





As to trying to get a "testosterone boost". I enjoy being my age especially since in 2014 I was severely injured by another driver who totaled my Range Rover (snobish SUV), killed himself, put me into a coma for a week with Septic shock from two bowel perforations and organ failure.


And 8 weeks later surviving 3 blood clots in my lungs along with a leg and groin full of smaller clots. It took this snob 7 months to get back to my office with 4 of those confined either to a bed or wheelchair.






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Sample of what was removed from my abdomen during emergency surgery, 2 liters of it.







At 73 I'm comfortable in my position in life and settled for something that I can actually get in and out of without going to the Chiropractor twice a week, a brand New RAV4.


My 23 year grandson has one as well. He seems to enjoy it. I own a couple of Range Rovers. I know, snob SUVs but I have owned Rovers for over 30 years now.


My status in life and my comfortability in my own skin doesn't have me wanting to drive cars that make me feel young again, I am cognizant that I am not young anymore and don't have to resort to a late in Life Crisis!


See previous comments by me on that topic.

P.S. When you can accomplish what I have in your life time, come back and see me, here's my Bona Fides!


Not sure why anyone would try to resort to such a pointless argument. I also have no idea why you would point me to a website that shows you served as a Marine. I have already commented on that and mentioned that I hoped you had a good Veterans Day, one Vet to another.

I was in the Air Force, not the Corps. I enlisted in 69 which is after you left the service. I also participated in the Sea Asia War Games 71-72 something I try to forget most of the time. Carol also served there as an Army Nurse.


My old C6, now replaced with a C7 just because I wanted more testosterone boost.





She is getting a Stingray on the hood by a local company.







As far as your "bona fides" go, you have earned your way through life. My comment was and still is, what have you contributed to horology that makes you or the troll enzo experts this hobby besides post counts here? That is the only thing that matters to me. If you want to comment on something that is fine but at least have some knowledge of what you speak of. Invicta is not the only brand out there that lies to the public, that is a well known fact. They are just the worst of them in my opinion.





https://marines.togetherweserved.com...erson&ID=17840 "

I have sympathy for the loss of your wife, but I don't list my deceased Loved ones to bolster my arguments.

You are still pontificating.
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