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Old 07-27-2019, 11:24 AM   #1 (permalink)
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So Iíve had this Croton diver for awhile. My wife got it as a gift years ago. Iíve recently started to educate myself more about watches and am paying more attention to what movements are in what I have. I donít see any markings on this one as the case back only reveals so much of it. Any help in identifying this movement would be appreciated! Very solid watch and runs great BTW. Not high end and sold on TV, but build quality really seems good IMO.


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Old 07-27-2019, 01:53 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Holy cowza, wonder what is in this one like you are saying Sticky !

There doesn't seem to be any ETA, or Sellita writing on the rotor, or
anything. Have been looking up this watch to see what could be inside,
but haven't found out yet.

Maybe a Croton fan out there can help you, or us out.
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Old 07-27-2019, 02:14 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Some Croton's have the Miyota movement, however, I don't see any markings indicating this on your watch.

I do know that some of the newer Croton 8215 and 8205 movements are modified Asian (Chinese) made copies of the Miyota design. The design is now out of patent. The Miyota ebauche movements have Miyota stamped on the rotor or on the base plate. The others are the copies - nothing wrong with these movements.

The newer Tianjin movements offer more features and complications for the same or less money. Croton has been using some of these better made Tianjin movements in their newer models as well as the Miyota design copies.

Your watch could well have one of these movements. Hope this helps
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Thanks for the input. The watch states Swiss Movt. on the dial and the rotor says Swiss Made so unless Croton was downright reckless in labeling the components Iím guessing itís an ETA or Sellita of some sort. I messaged Croton so weíll see what they say. This model is still on their site. I got it (guessing) around 2010ish. Iíll update once I hear from them.


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A watch movement is considered Swiss if:

the movement has been assembled in Switzerland and,
the movement has been inspected by the manufacturer in Switzerland and;
the components of Swiss manufacture account for at least 50 percent of the total value, without taking into account the cost of assembly. From 1 January 2017, the law set the minimum at 60 percent

Do let us know what you find out
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A watch movement is considered Swiss if:

the movement has been assembled in Switzerland and,
the movement has been inspected by the manufacturer in Switzerland and;
the components of Swiss manufacture account for at least 50 percent of the total value, without taking into account the cost of assembly. From 1 January 2017, the law set the minimum at 60 percent

Do let us know what you find out


The arms that extend outward near the adjustment jewel do look very Miyota like. So basically it could potentially be a Miyota movement with an overpriced Swiss made rotor and still be considered ďSwiss MadeĒ?


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21 jewels and Swiss made? I'd say Claro-Semag CL 888 - the "Swiss made" version of the Seagull ST 16.
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21 jewels and Swiss made? I'd say Claro-Semag CL 888 - the "Swiss made" version of the Seagull ST 16.


I think we have a winner! Definitely looks to be an 888. Iíve read that it has 21 Jewels and is exactly like the seagull st16 in almost every way. Itís been tuned up with (Iím assuming) the bare minimum needed to meet ďSwiss MadeĒ criteria. Iíve also read that to distance the Swiss version from the Chinese ST16 many rotors state 18 jewels even though the movt. has 21 jewels. Either way I donít much care. It runs good and I like it. Thanks for the info!


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