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| Posted: Mon Jan 30th, 2012 03:00 am |
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Name of Person Completing Review: James aka TVDinner Watch Company and Model Reviewed: Junkers 1st Atlantic Flight East-West - Model 6450-1 Watch being reviewed was donated for review by Victor Canete, President of http://www.JustWatchMe.net . Just Watch Me is an authorized dealer for the Junkers brand. Junkers Company Info: There are multiple websites that all display the information about the brand. This website ( http://www.junkers-uhren.com/english/ ) seems to be the main site for the brand, On that site it lists the following information about the brand: Manufacturer of the Junkers watches is the residents of Munich company: POINT tec Electronic GmbH On the Point Tec site ( http://www.pointtec.de ) you find Junkers here - http://www.pointtec.de/junkers/ You can also find the model being reviewed in this review here - http://www.pointtec.de/junkers/6450-1/ The contact info on the Junkers site is: S+P Media AG Schyrenplatz 3 85298 Scheyern Tel. +49(0)8441-859 09 15 Fax. +49(0)8441-859 09 16 E-Mail: info [at] junkers-watches [point] com The contact info for Point Tec is: POINT tec Electronic GmbH Steinheilstr. 6 D-85737 Ismaning Germany Fax: +49 (0)89 96 32 17 Online contact form - http://www.pointtec.de/contact/form/ ADDITIONALLY they are distributed in Canada by this company - http://www.1010-watches.com/10_10_watches/6450-1.html Junkers History: (from the web) Junkers (pronounced Yoon-Kerks) The German company POINTtec produce Junkers aviation design wristwatches. These fine watches recall famous names of early aviation, combining historic aircraft design elements, along with durable and distinctive hand wound, mechanical automatic, and quartz movements. Because of the outstanding functional quality and technical design of its watches, POINTtec has been appointed supplier for the Federal Troops of the National German Military Services (Bundeswehr). With enormous advances in air travel during the 1920's and 30's, there was practically no airline worldwide without Junkers aircraft. Manufactured in the Dessau Junkers works, the Junkers F 13 was believed to be the most widely used passenger plane at that time. Multi-engine planes such as the G 31 and G 38, and especially the JU 52, made the name Junkers famous the world over. The "Auntie JU" was legendary for its extreme punctuality and indestructibility. Even today, the planes are still capable of world premieres. According to a report in the Zuricher Zeitung, a 60 year old Junkers JU 52 set off on a tour round the world on January 11th, 2000. With no pressurized cabin or heating, the nostalgia plane found its way across the globe at an altitude of 3000 meters. To honor the outstanding achievements by Junkers and Lufthansa, POINTtec has created a series of Junkers aero plane watches, carefully designed down to the last detail. The collection is distinguished by sophisticated dials, stainless steel cases, and a range of movements with special technical features such as Big Date, movements with a second time zone display, Day Date with small seconds dial, and certified chronometer movements with a 5 hour stop function. The mechanical calibers used, such as the mechanical chrono movement from Poljot, and manual winding mechanism with calendar, will make the Junkers watches popular collector items. Each watch has an edition number and the Junkers aero plane symbol engraved on the stainless steel base. Other links - http://www.junkers-uhren.com/english/junkers-history/ Junkers 1st Atlantic Flight East-West - Model 6450-1 Specifications: Movement: Miyota Cal. 821A, mechanic, self-winding, 21 jewels decorated with Cotes de Geneve Engraved silver colored dial in "Corrugated Sheet" style with applied Junkers logo, black numbers, black hour and minute hands Stainless steel case 42 mm softly rounded square stainless steel case Height: 11 mm Mineral crystal Crystal exhibition back - mineral crystal 22mm leather strap with white contract stitching and a silver buckle closure Water-resistant up to 5 atm 2 years warranty Price: USD $410 Junkers 1st Atlantic Flight East-West - Model 6450-1: First Impressions When first opening the box the watch seemed larger then the 42mm reported size. The square case and silver on silver colors give the watch a bigger feel initially. Also the unique and horizontal corrugated dial adds to the larger then reported feel to the watch. If it is possible to have a classy and sporty look at the same time that is the initial impression you get looking at the watch the first time. Junkers 1st Atlantic Flight East-West - Model 6450-1: Stock Image:  Junkers 1st Atlantic Flight East-West - Model 6450-1: Packaging The box is average sized watch box size and comes in an outer black cardboard "sleeve"  Once the sleeve is removed you see the actual watch box. The box is made of a very hard cardboard with a silver Junkers logo on top of the box.  Close up picture of the carved 3 dimensional logo on the watch box. I think this is plastic that is made to look like metal but it is pretty interesting to see on the outside of the box.  The first thing you notice when you open the box is the faux corrugated metal top to the watch box inside. This ties into the theme of the brand and their trademark well known corrugated dials. There are also 2 small booklets/pamphlets included in the box with information about the brand and using the watch.  You also notice the square design of the stainless steel case.  Junkers 1st Atlantic Flight East-West - Model 6450-1: Crown Side of the case The case is polished and clean. You can see the curvature of the short lugs. Lug length is 7mm from case to tip of lug. Side of case is 35mm wide and 11mm tall You can see the flat front face of the side of the case and then the curved top of the case that curves up about 2mm at the middle point. Crown is small and sometimes hard to grab, Side of crown all the way around is ridged. The crown does not screw down and WR is only 5 atm. Crown comes off the case 2mm and is approx 3-4mm in diameter. Once open the hands advanced smoothly and the date cleanly snaps to the next day at exactly 12am. Overall I think the crown is on the small side and a little hard to manipulate. But if it were bigger, it would probably throw off the proportions of the watch and case as currently designed.  Junkers 1st Atlantic Flight East-West - Model 6450-1: Non Crown Side of the case Very clean and polished. A classy look and low profile.  Watch sits flat on wrist comfortably.  Junkers 1st Atlantic Flight East-West - Model 6450-1: Bezel, Dial and Hands Bezel - there is none as you can see. An inner silver colored chapter ring has minutes defined with 60 lines with actual numbers at each 5 minute marker (5, 10, 15, 20, 25, 30, 35, 40, 45, 50, 55, 60). The silver chapter ring is the same color as the dial but does not share the corrugated texture of the dial below it. The chapter ring sites flat on the dail and does not curve upward like you sometimes see on other watches. This continuing flat surface to the edge of the dial opening adds to the illusion of a bigger size of the watch. Dial and Hands: This is where this watch really shines. There are a lot of details to discuss and view. I really tried to capture the dial in the pictures below. First view of the corrugated dial, hands, markers, date window, and text. The hour, minute and second hands feel "long". This is due to their elongated arrow shape. Also they are a mirror like material that is reflective under the light. They are black, but many times look slightly blue at certain angles  The dial opening on this watch is between 37-38mm. This makes the watch feel much larger then the 42mm size. Basically the entire watch is the round watch dial opening carved into a square case. The black numbers on the dial are approx. 3.5mm tall (unofficial measurement) and feature a thin crisp font. The Date window is at the 3 position and is outlined with a black border. The opening is small, but not so small that it is hard to read. Next to the date window is a silver metal dot. This is one of the few things on the dial that I am not sure about. It seems like there is enough room that the number 3 could have still be applied to the dial in its normal position.  You can really see the ridged of the corrugated dial and how the text and images are printed on it going up and down over the edges. The dial is very interesting to look at, especially close up under a macro lens. Translation: erster atlantikflug ost west = first atlantic flight east west  You can see the airplane and text on the dial in this image.  You can see the applied Junkers logo on the dial directly above the 6 position and the words Made in Germany.  Below the 12 position is the applied Junkers name plate  Junkers 1st Atlantic Flight East-West - Model 6450-1: Exhibition Case Back The exhibition case back displays the Miyota Cal. 821A, mechanic, self-winding, 21 jewels decorated with Cotes de Geneve. It is very attractive movement to look at. I do not have a lot of experience with this movement so I did a little research. Here are some links for everyone to learn more about this movement. Additional information about the movement - http://www.citizen.co.jp/miyota_mvt/download/pdf/spec_6T51_8205_8215_821A.pdf (pdf file) Additional information about the movement - http://www.ranfft.de/cgi-bin/bidfun-db.cgi?10&ranfft&0&2uswk&Miyota_821A  The engraved exhibition case back and decorated movement are very attractive movement to look at. You can see the model number and serial number stamped on the back of each watch.  You can clearly see the movement and custom rotor through the mineral crystal opening. You can also see the movement decorated with Côtes de Genève, which is defined as: A decoration consisting of undulating lines, reminiscent of waves and frequently used to embellish superior quality movements. Additional information about the Côtes de Genève decoration: Source In horology, damaskeening is decorative patterning on a watch movement. The term damaskeening is used in America, while in Europe the terms used are Fausses Côtes, Côtes de Genève or Geneva Stripes. Such patterns are made from very fine scratches made by rose engine lathe using small disks, polishing wheels or ivory laps. These patterns look similar to the results of a spirograph or Guilloché engraving. Here is a good YouTube video showing the process being done: http://youtu.be/9l88FrND1oY  This much closer up image really displays the decoration on the movement. It is pretty nice looking in person.  Junkers 1st Atlantic Flight East-West - Model 6450-1: Strap / Bracelet This model comes with a leather strap. The strap is black leather with a silver stitching that is very complimentary to the dial and case colors. The strap is about 3mm thick and I found it to be soft and pliable right out of the box. The strap is 22mm wide at the lugs. The strap has a nice leather smell.  The strap is stamped on the inside (translation below)  Translation of feinstes leder handgearbeitet = Finest handmade leather  Underside of the strap is textured and soft.  The buckle is silver and unbranded. It is 22mm wide at its widest point.  There is a leather pad below the buckle which is a nice extra.   Picture of the buckle closed and on the wrist. Strap includes 2 loops. Notice how the extra pad below the buckle keeps the buckle completely off the skin. My wrist is between 7 1/4 to 7 1/2 inches. I wore this watch on the 3rd or 4th hole - which left 4 remaining holes for people with larger wrist sizes. Of course a larger aftermarket strap could be added if needed.  Strap view on the wrist from the side.  Junkers 1st Atlantic Flight East-West - Model 6450-1: Lume There is no lume on this watch at all. Junkers 1st Atlantic Flight East-West - Model 6450-1: Unofficial Movement Testing This is unofficial and only based on one day of checking. I wore this watch for over 12 hours straight and timed it against the atomic clock online ( http://www.time.gov/ ) It was on my wrist from 7am EST (when first time check done) until 7:42pm EST. I wore it all day going to work, at work, and then driving home to pick up my kids and then making dinner. At the end of the time period the watch was off approx 2 second off/slow. The movement is non hacking and did not stop when changing the time or spinning the hands of the watch. I shook the watch hard a few times and the movement never jumped, or stuttered, or did anything unusual or out of the norm. Just keep moving along smoothly (see below) Visual feedback about the movement - If you listen close you can hear the rotor moving occasionally and winding the watch. The sweep of the second hand is not the smoothest I have ever seen but moves around the dial nicely. Kind of a "sliding-ticking" if that makes sense. Junkers 1st Atlantic Flight East-West - Model 6450-1: On The Wrist As mentioned above the watch wears larger then its 42mm size. This is due to a variety of features including a large dial opening with no bezel and the colors used. The black strap ties in nicely to the color of the hands and printing on the dial and is complimentary to the silver color of the dial and the case. The dial is the real stand out feature of this watch and model in my opinion.  Junkers 1st Atlantic Flight East-West - Model 6450-1: Summary: Initially this model was a departure from my normal comfort zone of watch styles that I am typically attracted to (chunkier, round, dive watch styles with bezels, thick hands and raised dial markers, lum, etc). But after handling this watch for a few days and actually wearing it for almost a week off and on, I found myself happily surprised with it. With the strap and size it is lighter weight, yet still has a good presence on the wrist. A lot of this has to do with the over-sized dial opening and extended and elongated hands giving the watch a larger look as mentioned above. I also found the dial, although lacking of any lum or raised markers, to be very attractive and unquestionably unique. The texture and corrugated texture of the dial gives the watch a lot of dimension and depth that you don't normally see on other watches. The horizontal pattern of the corrugated dial also adds to the larger feel of the timepiece. This is much more a dressier watch in my opinion then a casual one, but I believe it could be worn both ways without a problem. I thought the watch might have a delicate feel to it, but the case and overall construction feels solid. The strap feels higher quality then some stock leather straps I have handled in the past. My only real criticism of this model was the crown size as mentioned above and the complete lack of lume, but this is not the type of watch that requires anything like that. If you are a person who favors chunkier and heavier dive style watches then this is not a model for you. But if you are looking for a dressier more classic styled design this might be one to consider. I want to thank Victor at JustWatchMe.net again for providing this model for review on Watch Freeks.
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| Posted: Mon Jan 30th, 2012 03:03 am |
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Some quick cell phone comparison pictures to show how this watch wears larger. 42mm Junkers on Left. 48mm Seiko Tuna on Right (the Tuna wears smaller due to case design) Just giving a size comparison here. The Junkers is not as big as the Tuna obviously, but I wanted to point out the Tuna does not wear as a 48mm either.  42mm Junkers on Left. 45mm Orient Mako XL on Right  42mm Junkers on Left. 44mm Steinhart Ocean 44 on Right  42mm Junkers on Left. 43mm Victorinox Swiss Army Black Ice on Right  Junkers on Left on far right. You can see the lower profile on the wrist then the other watches.  Video from youtube of the black dial version of this same model.
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** Reserved **
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| Posted: Thu Feb 16th, 2012 03:30 am |
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Great review James, and really nice pictures. Seems you get alot with that watch. The style is not for me at all, but I like the strap and the buckle pad it has, pretty cool, and nice presentation. Again, great review.
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| Posted: Thu Feb 16th, 2012 12:45 pm |
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Really nice! Has a great looking dial and gives that classy feel. I don't think ths watch needs Lume as it is appealing to a suit wearer. Let's not forget, the most expensive watches in the world have no Lume  .It's something different and I like that. Not someone taking the usual cushion case and trying to make a buck with it. A sapphire would be nice though. The movement is great, even without a hack. Last edited on Thu Feb 16th, 2012 12:46 pm by STØLÅS Watch Co. ____________________ http://www.facebook.com/StolasWatch - Visit our Facebook page to learn more about STØLAS and win some cool gear! 
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| Posted: Thu Feb 16th, 2012 03:35 pm |
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Great and thorough review. Sadly not my kind of watch.
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| Posted: Thu Feb 16th, 2012 06:08 pm |
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Great Review. The dial work is fantastic. That particular design just doesn't make me want to pull the trigger.
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| Posted: Thu Feb 16th, 2012 06:20 pm |
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Quite like the styling, especially the case and dial. I do wish however that it was more water resistant than 5ATM. A 24mm strap would further increase my interest, especially in the chrono model. Edit: just as a note, I had considered pulling the trigger but it seems it is out of stock on the justwatchme website. Perhaps he sent his entire inventory out for review models! Last edited on Thu Feb 16th, 2012 06:22 pm by chase |
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| Posted: Thu Feb 16th, 2012 06:29 pm |
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chase wrote:Quite like the styling, especially the case and dial. I do wish however that it was more water resistant than 5ATM. A 24mm strap would further increase my interest, especially in the chrono model. Shows in stock. http://www.justwatchme.net/junkers-1st-atlantic-flight-automatic-6450-1-pilot-watch/
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| Posted: Thu Feb 16th, 2012 06:39 pm |
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Great review but have to agree with others...just something about the watch that I am not excited about. Do love the strap flap.
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| Posted: Thu Feb 16th, 2012 06:47 pm |
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Thanks for the review and outstanding pictures! Here's what I don't understand... How does a watch with a Miyota movement in it claim to be "Made In Germany"... Again, what does that mean and does it mean the same as "Swiss Made" with the 51% rule?... That said I've never seen a watch with a Miyota movement in it labeled as "Swiss Made"... Just sayin'
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| Posted: Thu Feb 16th, 2012 06:55 pm |
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BigTime738 wrote:Thanks for the review and outstanding pictures! Here's what I don't understand... How does a watch with a Miyota movement in it claim to be "Made In Germany"... Again, what does that mean and does it mean the same as "Swiss Made" with the 51% rule?... That said I've never seen a watch with a Miyota movement in it labeled as "Swiss Made"... Just sayin' I thought the same thing when reading this. Then I thought about other German watches labled made in Germany, and I thought of Dievas, Stowa, etc. They use Swiss movements and are labeled Made in Germany. I think maybe it comes down to they are designed and produced out of Germany, and Germany really doesnt have their own movements.
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Tattoo Chef wrote: BigTime738 wrote: Good way of looking at as I have a STOWA, Kremke and and H2O. All made in Germany but all Swiss Mvts. Same thing just Junkers uses a Miyota for this watch. I do know from my conversations with STOWA and H2O there are also rules for "Made in Germany" I just didn't go into detail and haven't really researched it to date. BTW great review James. I don't dislike it and the dial is really cool.
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| Posted: Thu Feb 16th, 2012 07:14 pm |
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UKWolfeman wrote: Tattoo Chef wrote:BigTime738 wrote: Good points about Stowa and others that use Swiss movts... Germany will have it's own rules regarding "Made in Germany"... I know there are lesser "Germasian" brands that also use Miyota movements....
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| Posted: Thu Feb 16th, 2012 07:26 pm |
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Not sure if this is helpful but see - http://www.vdu.org/english/default.asp http://info.hktdc.com/alert/eu0414c.htm http://www.thelocal.de/money/20120116-40137.html
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| Posted: Fri Feb 17th, 2012 03:21 am |
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Hi Chase, We have few of these watches in stock including the Chrono and GMT models, feel free to call us if you have any questions, our number is 647-693-2902, or if you prefer you can contact us via e-mail at info@justwatchme.net Cheers. VC Last edited on Fri Feb 17th, 2012 03:25 am by victor |
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Love the corrugated dial and i love Miyota as well
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| Posted: Fri Feb 17th, 2012 09:20 pm |
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Tattoo Chef wrote: It was the chrono I was looking at that wasn't available. After I posted in here the first time Victor did email me and say that he did in fact have it in stock, both models. Attachment: chrono.png (Downloaded 247 times) Last edited on Fri Feb 17th, 2012 09:21 pm by chase |
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Beautiful dial and a great review James.I really like the design of it but would prefer a Swiss movement.
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chase wrote:Tattoo Chef wrote: Hi Chase, Thanks a lot for pointing out this issue, our IT looked into this and made a few changes so now you should not be getting this message anymore unless we are really out of stock ;-) Cheers
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