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Old 11-26-2014, 11:40 AM   #21 (permalink)
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My favorite in audio components is Denon... I do believe how you hear music in one room is different unless you are in adjoining recording studios... most of don't go that far but for the broadest range of sounds... Denon components are pricey but the sound quality is amazing for digital media from your computer... CEOL piccolo



The sound is just really broad and clear in living rooms or basement rec rooms ...


Check this out ... it is really amazing ... using USB from your computer makes is easy to use plus a easy to understand set up guide ...


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Old 11-29-2014, 07:08 PM   #22 (permalink)
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nothing against Bose but, Leon (the company not a person) built my speakers. All made right here in the USA
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Old 11-29-2014, 09:41 PM   #23 (permalink)
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Late to the discussion, but I'm a bit of an audio enthusiast*, so I thought I'd chime in. Sorry in advance for being long-winded.

I think where many enthusiasts take issue with Bose either falls into an issue with 1) questionable technical specs or 2) a (perceived) poor price/performance ratio.

Both are obviously complex. #1 isn't cut and dry, even though it pertains to concrete quantification of audio properties. Amar Bose famously focused on psychoacoustics versus typical audio measurements. The original 901s and 501s were pretty amazing achievements (although others were dabbling in reflected sound in the late '60s/early '70s).

Bose historically didn't publish technical specs on their equipment. When owners have tested systems like the Acoustimass series, they found that the frequency response is atrocious on paper, as the subwoofer (or bass module) produces sound from 46Hz to 200Hz at +or- 10.5dB and the chinzy paper cone cube satellites play from 280Hz to 13.3kHz at +or- 10.5dB. So you have a glaring frequency gap from 200 to 280Hz and poor coverage of the lowest lows and highest highs.

Classic home theater theory suggests a subwoofer shouldn't play frequencies as high as 200Hz, as that allows you to locate the sub's location in the room and is inefficient for a LFE speaker. That also means that your bass module is responsible for a significant chunk of dialog frequencies...that's a no-no.

Bose enthusiasts would keenly point out that much of the extreme ends aren't perceived well by human hearing (especially the high end) and that purely qualitatively the systems "sound good." As for the aforementioned Acoustimass systems, the tiny speakers also get universally high marks on WAF (wife acceptance factor).

This segues into #2, in that countless brands sell cheaper speakers made from "better" materials and with "better" quantified audio properties. Does that mean they automatically sound better to everyone? I doubt it. But charging $1k for a few $10 tiny paper-cone speakers you've made forever does take some nerve.

That said, Bose does make some amazing products. I'm a believer in their noise canceling headphones (although I'd rather have Audio-Technicas or Grados if I don't need NC). Their automotive offerings are a mixed bag and more of a marketing campaign versus a focus on acoustics. Many aren't even made up of all Bose components. (I've owned four cars with Bose, one was great, one decent and two were awful and improved with bargain-priced aftermarket replacements).

It's hard to quantify the audio experience for others, though, and relentless marketing has made Bose a household name - and some of that has been properly earned and some stems from legendary legacy products. As for me, I'd rather put together systems from Definitive Technology, Axiom, Polk, Yamaha, Energy, Klipsch or Ascend.

*By audio enthusiast, I mean someone who enjoys hi-fi as a hobby, but who also believes physics still applies. I don't get into power conditioning, boutique cables, wire risers or any other mystical audio nonsense.
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Old 11-29-2014, 10:55 PM   #24 (permalink)
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Klipsh F30s and Polk T75s are incredible for the price, they are better with a Sub though.
I have no idea what the newer Bose sound like, I know they use to be real stringent about not discounting.
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Owned a Lifestyle 12 since I purchased new in 1995'ish and just sold on Craig's List for $500 how many electronic investments will give you that much enjoyment and still put some cash back in your pocket twenty years later...

No complaints here sounded fine and gave me plenty hours of enjoyment. I am no audio expert just my aging ears to be the judge. Only sold because I got tired of all the wires and have a smaller media room now.
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No hate here; never heard of Bose hate before even. I went with James' recommendation and picked up some Bose noise-cancelling headphones last week and could not be happier. Just yesterday, I was sitting directly under the speaker at Starbucks and listening to my own tunes with total clarity and at a fairly reasonable volume. Insanely good, I think.
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No hate here; never heard of Bose hate before even. I went with James' recommendation and picked up some Bose noise-cancelling headphones last week and could not be happier. Just yesterday, I was sitting directly under the speaker at Starbucks and listening to my own tunes with total clarity and at a fairly reasonable volume. Insanely good, I think.
I have the exact same ones - the Boise noise cancelling ear buds and they are INCREDIBLE. I wear them every week when traveling on the planes for work and can't hear the plane at all with perfectly clear music. I LOVE them and the other Bose products I have owned.
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I am not familar with the systems but as far as Best Buy and Amazon reviews go I have found their reviews and pretty much useless. They do not require proof that the reviewer ever actually owns the product or not! IMO an online reveiw means nothing unless they can prover the person making it has the product and is just not trying to make it look good or bad. I never use online reviews as a base to buy or not to buy a product.
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I wear a set of quiet comforts to sleep at night because my wife snores. Worth every penny.
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No hating over here.
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I have a Bose Wave Radio, and a Bose sound bar/station for my wide screen TV, my only complaint with Bose is, they are a little late to the table with wireless connections to remote speakers and other devices.
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I just bought a Bose Soundtouch 130 system. Sounds good for movies and video games. I'm holding onto my ADS loudspeakers and definitive home theater speakers. Not sure what I'll do with them, but for now, this system is making the wife happy.

We're at the stage in our marriage, where if she lets me put the ADS loudspeakers in our bedroom, she'll make me happy in the bedroom!
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Old 04-23-2017, 06:19 AM   #33 (permalink)
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My favorite system! I use ---- two L1 systems for smaller venues ---. two F1 Subs, two F1 812, and a T1 system for larger venues. I love you Bose!
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I live in Arizona, and in my 15 years out here I have went through about six CD/Radio players I have had out on bar by my pool, the heat and the dust destroyed every one of them. Was looking for wireless speakers for my Bose radio, and they don't exist, in fact the wave radio I have won't even let you hard wire to external speakers.

Was toying with the idea of buying another wave radio to put outside, but didn't want to see that one go south too.

One of my son’s tuned me into getting a Jawbone Jambox, it’s a wireless rechargeable speaker that works off of a Bluetooth connection

I checked out the models and the smaller one’s for a single room didn’t cut it, then I checked out their larger model, the Jawbone Big Box.

It’s bigger yet very portable, best thing is, it is as clear sounding as a Bose and has just as high volume and sound out put. It is rechargeable, takes about 4 hours, yet the thing will play non-stop for 20 hrs on a charge.

Since it is portable I don’t have to worry about leaving it out in the heat and the dust, and since there is no CD slots, there is nothing for the dust to enter anyways.

When I want to use it, I simply take it out to the pool with me, put it on my patio bar in the shade, fire it up and then link it with bluetooth to Pandora on either my cell phone or my tablet. It has more then enough clear crisp volume to fill up my back yard. Paid about $300 for it a couple of years ago, and I use it almost every day in the summer while in the pool, it is absolutely great!



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Old 04-24-2017, 12:33 AM   #35 (permalink)
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I have owned Bose noise cancelling headphones for many years and love them for the noise cancelling feature but they are stellar headphones as well. I would never choose anything but the over the ear model. Speakers , ear buds and other products have been great performers too. I do love them.
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Bose is a brand name out there that charges a premium for a product that can be bought for less with another brand. There are plenty of better audio instruments out there from lesser known brands that equal or better performance at less cost.


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[QUOTE=LordAnubis;2455577]Bose is a brand name out there that charges a premium for a product that can be bought for less with another brand. There are plenty of better audio instruments out there from lesser known brands that equal or better performance at less cost.



For 25 years, I have been paid to perform live music. Over the years, I have own/used many types of great systems (heavy and loud) . The Bose PA system is amazing for the performing/working musician that wants top quality sound. I don't know anything about headphones, but I do know about $8k PA systems and nothing compares to the Bose Sound. Your not paying for the name.... Your paying for the amazing technology!
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My personal experience is with etymotic research. Their earphones produce clarity of sound far better to any Bose earphones I have tried. The noise isolation of the complyfoam tips is better than any active noise cancelling by Bose or Sony or any other active system I've tried. I used to use Bose and Sony and it was very enriched bass heavy sound. Then one day I bought the etys and I heard things in songs I've never ever heard before.

I have no experience with PA systems though. Maybe that's what Bose specialise in.


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