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Old 06-14-2017, 11:43 AM   #1 (permalink)
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So I'm considering something that I think some watch enthusiasts would strongly be against.


I'm considering buying a Panarai replica. Before you post about how I'm something between child-sex-offender and scumbag con-man, hear me out.

I don't make a lot of money, but have an appreciation for fine wrist watches. I could save up a couple of thousand dollars but spending that money on a luxury watch would be grossly irresponsible of me.

I've heard it said that replica watches can be a sort of gateway to the real thing. You get to wear the watch and live with it a while and let that experience tell you if the investment in the real thing would be worth it for you. That makes sense to me. I don't hang around rich people and nobody I do associate with would recognize a very expensive watch unless it had Rolex on the face. So my motivation for considering buying a replica watch has absolutely nothing to do with deceiving anyone.


I've heard the tales that buying fake watches support organized crime and such abominations as human trafficking and whatnot. I have my doubts about that. If there is a market for something, someone will provide what the market wants. I think it's simply a matter of business/economics. The Chinese are being asked to manufacture the worlds products anyway. They can easily tool up for a replica of another product. It doesn't necessarily mean the manufacturing facility is owned by human traffickers, though I suppose they are technically criminals for infringing on a copyright or brand recognition. But in the end they are providing something that there is a demand for so you really cant' fault them for providing something the world wants. Or would there be a demand if the product weren't there? Kind of a chicken/egg problem.

What do you think. Is there something I may not be considering in this? Is my account about to be banned?
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We do not endorse replica watches in any way. Discussions about replica watches are not allowed on Watch Freeks. In addition no links or pictures pertaining to replica watches are allowed on Watch Freeks in threads or posts.
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OK Thanks. Mods please delete this thread.
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IMO, your points, or justification are simply bunk. End of story.
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I'm with Roarry on this one, it is pretentious and there is absolutely no justification for it whatsoever.


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Why don't buy an homage? If you like the looks of Panerais that maybe an option and chances are the movement inside is a reliable one. (This you can check). Marina Militare springs to mind.

If it's only the brand prestige you're after I can't help you and completely stand behind what has been posted above. Believe me, you are just cheating on yourself. You are not a fake so don't let your watch be. I have saved several years (!), using overtime money, some money from sales and a part of my bonuses to buy a Sub Date in 2000 after being on a 3 months waiting list. It IS possible.

Some of the comments may seem harsh but we are watch enthusiasts and very dedicated to the art of watch making and supporters of (mostly) mechanical watches. I'm an avid collector of dive watches produced by micro brands. And yes, one of them is an homage too. Not an homage to a very recognisable super brand but nevertheless an homage.
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For me there's a difference between replica (straight up rip off) or a watch that borrows heavily from another design.

For instance if the watch says Rolex on the dial and it's not... that's a no-no, but if the watch is appropriately branded as it's own thing you cross into a grey area that I'm Ok with. As an example, I have no problem with Steinhart and their OceanOne line and few would deny it bears more than a mere passing resemblance to a submariner. Same with Tissel, a watch that many people here have purchased and consider an excellent value for the money.

There's look alikes and then there's ripoffs. The difference is pretty clear.
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There's a big demand for illegal narcotics too. The fact that there is a demand for something, and a supplier for that something doesn't make it ok to participate


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I'm with the others, why not buy a good quality homage from one of many microbrands?
Then you get a great quality watch with a look that influenced by PAM.

Some good brands I can think of without doing any research:
Benarus (not sure this one is available new)
Maranez
SAS

There are more if you look.
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Get a Marina Militare to your size and liking and enjoy that homage to a classic watch. You imply no one you associate with would recognize Panerai as a watch brand anyway.

If you're not trying to deceive anyone, then don't deceive anyone. Starting with yourself.
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Wow, I informed the mods this morning and they haven't done a thing.

Asleep at the wheel? or just don't care anymore. Shame
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I would look around online and see if you can find a brand that is modeled after a panerai. Some people have a lot of disdain for watches that borrow heavily from other watch designs, but I think everyone can agree that a homage watch is far better than a replica.

A homage will at least be a watch you can get serviced, whereas most reputable watchsmiths won't touch a fake watch (and they will know as soon as they look at one)



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Just save your money and purchase the real thing pre-owned. Or you can by one of the many offerings from the "most feared watch company in the world". I understand they make many homages.





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Invicta are fine if you wear large shoes and a squirty flower.

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Invicta are fine if you wear large shoes and a squirty flower.

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Hey now... do not bring the good folks at Clowns of America International or World Clown Association into this. Many of them are find upstanding citizens who also don't like Invicta. :-)
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My advice is buy a quality homage, usually those are actually water resistant and may have a valid warranty to boot. I have seen friends with fakes that didn't survive the first dip in the pool.

Since no one is going to look at the dial to see what name is on it to start with, except for a Rolex look a like, get a homage.

When I used to wear my Sub, never got too many comments on it anyways, other then the occasional "Is that a real one", or in the case of the last comment before I put it in a safety deposit box, "Nice Invicta, really sharp, looks almost exactly like a real one, what model number is that?"

No one but a WIS is going to notice anyways, and I have only encountered a handful of us out in the wild, too few to try and impress, impress yourself instead, that's what matters.

I love the look of a Blancpain Fifty Fathoms, and could buy a bogus one for around $350 from one of the counterfit sites, why would I do that when I can get the same look from a legitimate watch manufacturer for an additional $50.

99.9% of the world wouldn't recognize what the name Blancpain is, more or less even know it is a watch. So why wear a watch with the name illegitimately slapped on the dial, when no one but you is going to recognize it, and then you will recognize in your own heart, it's a fake!

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I own a fair few homage watches. I consider myself a watch lover, not a brand lover, so homage watches make a great comperamise.
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