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Old 01-10-2017, 11:33 AM   #1 (permalink)
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In this video, I give you ten tips to help authenticate your Omega.

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Thank you for the video.

Please feel free to also participate in the other discussions on the forum.
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is an Omega homage under another brand really a fake ? a replica ? a copy ? or just a homage that looks really close to a gen Omega ?
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is an Omega homage under another brand really a fake ? a replica ? a copy ? or just a homage that looks really close to a gen Omega ?
A replica is someone trying to recreate the watch exactly for as cheap as possibly to then exploit someone for way more money that it is worth.

A homage keeps its own name, perhaps some of its own styling; however, is largely inspired by another brand. Think a Steinhart Ocean 1, which would be considered a Homage to a Rolex Submariner.
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so a Davidsen Fifty Fathoms with Blancpain on the dial would be a replica ...
and a Steinhart One is a homage (slightly diff lugs, etc)
and a Tisell Marine Diver is a ?? (almost exactly a Rollie ref 116600)
a Marina Militare that's almost exactly a PAM 111 is ... ??
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The peanut butter equation

We have in my country a brand of peanut butter that is market leader. The product was introduced in 1948 and in the Seventies gained its very recognisable orange-brown label with accompanying type face. The brand is successful, boasts the recipe has never been changed (not true) and is equally famous for its brilliant TV ads. It took a lot of effort and investment to cultivate this image. And then there is a German supermarket chain that has their own brand of peanut butter in the same looking jars and with a label that is (was) a spittin’ image of the market leader’s one. Bar the brand name of course.

Is this an homage, a fake or a replica? According to judges up to our Supreme Court is was misuse of a recognisable brand image providing the supermarket owners with unjust competitive and financial gain. They tried a couple times more but finally had to give up. Not an homage because they were only out to exploit the original manufacturers carefully cultivated brand image, not a fake because they weren’t trying to sell cow dung as peanut butter and not a replica because they weren’t using the original manufacturer’s brand name as such. But still illegal.

Now transplant this to the watch world and discuss among yourselves

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Not trying to argue, or swap opinions until someone is blue in the face. Just offering one explanation. Take it, or leave it.

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so a Davidsen Fifty Fathoms with Blancpain on the dial would be a replica ...
and a Steinhart One is a homage (slightly diff lugs, etc)
and a Tisell Marine Diver is a ?? (almost exactly a Rollie ref 116600)
a Marina Militare that's almost exactly a PAM 111 is ... ??
A fake is a watch that is a copy with the same name and markers on the dial, basically trying to pass itself off as the real thing. Probably illegal..

Anything that is a copy, but has a different brand name on the dial could be classified as a copy, or homage.
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In the automobile world, we have vintage replicas
builders like JPS Motorsports and Specialty Auto build exact replicas of the famous Porsche 356, including Porsche logos on the bonnet ... and there's not a shred of negative feedback
In fact, these replicas are cherished almost as much as the real 356 (just not in price)
Porsche suing these guys ?? ... not a chance !!
whatup with that ? it's confusing, these replicas are so good you can't tell them from the gen article until you look at the door tag

so it's ok to build a replica of a famous vintage brand - no longer in production - but it's not ok to build a replica of a current production brand ?
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so a Davidsen Fifty Fathoms with Blancpain on the dial would be a replica ...
and a Steinhart One is a homage (slightly diff lugs, etc)
and a Tisell Marine Diver is a ?? (almost exactly a Rollie ref 116600)
a Marina Militare that's almost exactly a PAM 111 is ... ??
Blancpain on the dial made by someone other than Blancpain would be a fake.
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In the automobile world, we have vintage replicas
builders like JPS Motorsports and Specialty Auto build exact replicas of the famous Porsche 356, including Porsche logos on the bonnet ... and there's not a shred of negative feedback
In fact, these replicas are cherished almost as much as the real 356 (just not in price)
Porsche suing these guys ?? ... not a chance !!
whatup with that ? it's confusing, these replicas are so good you can't tell them from the gen article until you look at the door tag

so it's ok to build a replica of a famous vintage brand - no longer in production - but it's not ok to build a replica of a current production brand ?
What name is posted on the JPS Motorsport car?
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Isn't part of this, and I may very well be off base, that a patent or trademark on a particular design of a watch, a car, or what have you, has run out allowing replication as long as there is not a trademarked logo on the product what makes this possible?
Isn't that why we have the Cobra replica, and so many oyster designed watch cases?

Sort of similar to google sucking up all the old works of literature that are out of copyright to digitise them and make them available through google books?

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In the automobile world, we have vintage replicas
builders like JPS Motorsports and Specialty Auto build exact replicas of the famous Porsche 356, including Porsche logos on the bonnet ... and there's not a shred of negative feedback
In fact, these replicas are cherished almost as much as the real 356 (just not in price)
Porsche suing these guys ?? ... not a chance !!
whatup with that ? it's confusing, these replicas are so good you can't tell them from the gen article until you look at the door tag

so it's ok to build a replica of a famous vintage brand - no longer in production - but it's not ok to build a replica of a current production brand ?
I've visited the websites of both manufacturers and tried to find as many pictures of their cars I could find but either I didn't look closely enough or none of the cars had the Porsche name on the back (where it should be) or a visible Porsche badge on the front cover handle (where it should be). Can you point me to the pictures of aforementioned replicas where the manufacturer (and not the owner as an after market replacement) has placed the Porsche name on their cars?
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Here is the video direct on the site -

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How were you able to put the actual video into the thread? Some help would be much appreciated!
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In the video, it is explained that the word Omega will always be an applied piece of metal on the dial. I have seen plenty of real Omegas. Particularly Bond Seamasters. Not one of those has metal applied to the dial. There is even one featured as real at the beginning of this video. So IMO, this video is far from perfect. But it helps on other facets.
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In the video, it is explained that the word Omega will always be an applied piece of metal on the dial. I have seen plenty of real Omegas. Particularly Bond Seamasters. Not one of those has metal applied to the dial. There is even one featured as real at the beginning of this video. So IMO, this video is far from perfect. But it helps on other facets.

You're right, they didn't put the applied Omega Logo on the dial until the Ceramic Sea master came out
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Thanks for the constructive criticism on my video!
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How were you able to put the actual video into the thread? Some help would be much appreciated!
Just simply copy the Share URL from the youtube page and paste into a post here. The site automatically will show the video when you make the post.
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You're right, they didn't put the applied Omega Logo on the dial until the Ceramic Sea master came out
I don't know about the Seamaster or all Omega models, but the earliest Speed Master watches (I believe those with the 861) had applied metal Omega logos. After that they went to the printed.
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