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About MANCHESTERWATCHWORKS:

Modern, Original Timepieces with Vintage Inspirations...

I began my watch making journey decades ago as a watch collector. My collection was vast and ranged from hundreds of pieces from quartz to mechanical, from plastic to platinum, from one-hand to 6 hands, from no complication to jump hour complications. From this, the most valuable lesson I learned was that an inexpensive watch can be made just as well as an expensive one if done passionately and correctly.

My next phase in horology consisted of modifying existing watches with after market parts. I purchased watchmaking tools and interchanged bezels, crystals, hands, and even movements. The next logical step was to hand build my own watches from the ground up with sourced catalog parts. Many of my family and friends benefited from this phase as I gave them all away as gifts. From these experiences, I learned the technical intricacies of watchmaking. However, I grew frustrated with the lack of parts available for the watches I had designed. As such, I ultimately founded my own watch company so my designs could be entirely custom made.


ManchesterWatchWorks was founded in March of 2014 with the cornerstone belief that high quality watches with timeless designs can be exclusive and affordable too. To this end, all of our timepieces are designed in-house and all components are custom made to our strict, detailed specifications. The lone exception being the movements. These are carefully selected to be proven robust and reliable movements with as little maintenance required as possible. As such, most are either Swiss or Japanese manufactured movements.

You can always expect our timepieces to be thoughtfully designed and well engineered with a high build quality and extremely good value. All of our original models will be released one at a time with only one production run, so they receive the attention they deserve. As such, your MWW timepiece will always be a limited edition piece and we will stand behind each and every one we make. In addition, to show our sincere appreciation for our customers, anyone who purchases a ManchesterWatchWorks watch directly from us will have a 10% discount for all future purchases.

We are also firm believers in giving back to our community and our planet. As such, we strive to use eco-friendly packaging whenever we can.

Plus, 1% of all gross sales will be donated annually to St. Jude's Children Hospital and/or the Make-A-Wish Foundation.

Please visit our Facebook page at www.facebook.com/mww802
for all the latest ManchesterWatchWorks news and updates.

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Manchester, VT, USA, 05255
Email: MWW802@gmail.com
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First Impression:


I think reviews for prototypes are the hardest to write. You're not 100% sure if the watch you are reviewing we be as good, better, or will fall short on the final execution. However, this watch is fairly impressive in the prototype stage and I think it has a great chance of being a big winner once it makes it to production. This watch was loaned to WatchFreeks for review.

Kickstarter: This watch was launched as a Kickstarter crowd funding project. It did not successfully fund and the project has been pulled. The owners have relaunched the watch with the same identical specs except they have added a Miyota 9015 as the movement in the watch converting the watch from and quartz to an automatic. More on this later.

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Specifications:

-42.5mm 316L stainless steel case with polished finish and/or black PVD plating and/or bead blasted finish

-47mm lug to lug

-11mm in height

-20 ATM/200m water resistance

-22mm drilled lugs for easy strap changes and curved for comfort

-Swiss Ronda 715Li quartz movement with a 10-year battery life and low battery indication

-Textured black wet sand-like dial with C3 lumed markers and a 12:00 marker inspired by the American diver down flag

-Choice of 4:00 date window or without date window

-43mm knurled unidirectional 120 click bezel

-Aluminum bezel insert with C3 lume at 12:00 and a swallow-tail 12:00 marker inspired by the international diver down flag

-C3 lumed arrow hands with red-tipped seconds

-6mm knurled engraved 4:00 screw-down crown

-Flat sapphire crystal with inner anti-reflective coating to minimize distortions and reflections

-Screwed down case back

-Black PU strap with engraved buckle and/or a MWW custom designed strap with engraved strap keeper

Customized Options:

- Choice of black rubber strap or a custom MWW designed nylon strap

- Choice of dial with or without a date window

- Choice of polished, PVD black or bead blasted case finishes

- Choice of bezel insert designs

- Choice of hand sets

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- Miyota 9015 Movement offered only with the bead blasted finish, no date dial, and the most recent bezel insert and hands design.
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For more information on the automatic version please visit http://www.manchesterwatchworks.com/index.html as this review will focus on the quartz movement that was submitted for evaluation.


Packaging:


The watch came to me wrapped in bubble wrap without packaging. This is not unusual for a prototype. Therefore, I am unable to evaluate the packaging that will be supplied with the final product.

Strap and Buckle:

The rubber strap supplied was generous in length. I measure it at 133mm x 75mm. It still has three holes remaining after wrapping around my large 8.25 inch wrist. The strap has two floating keepers. The buckle is a standard tang style buckle. However, they did manage to put the logo on the buckle which is a nice touch. I did not receive a MWW custom designed strap with engraved strap keeper for evaluation.











Case, Dial, Bezel, and Crown:

First off I must point out that you are getting a sapphire crystal with an inner anti-reflective coating at this price point. Not many companies offer that combination at this entry level price.The dial itself has a grainy wet-sand like texture to it. It is different and I'm not sure I would want a lot of my watches to have that texture to the dial but one in the collection would be a nice change of pace.

The bezel offers 120 clicks. The clicks are solid and firm. There is no play in the bezel. It is unlikely that you would accidentally advance the bezel by inadvertently bumping into something. The red marker at the 12, under the pip, is something I could do without. The pip has nice lume and the red marker does not seem to serve a purpose.

The crown is stamped with the logo. The crown is easy to grasp and is a screws down for improved water resistance. It offer one position for date changes and another to set the hands.

I think these are the perfect hands for this watch. The size is right and they are large enough without being too big for the dial. I particularly like the second hand. It has a lume spot below the red tip of the hand. Very nice look both in daylight and under lume conditions.






I like drilled lugs, particularly on a diver or any other watch were frequent strap changes are probable. I think that for the small esthetic price you pay the functionality of being able to change straps without the risk of scratching up the case is well worth it.




Case Back:

Very nice etched case back with serpent logo in the center. Screwed down for better water resistance. This watch carries a 200M rating which is adequate for most of us.



Wrist Shot:
You can really see the sand look dial in this shot.Overall. a very comfortable watch to wear. The dial looks overly grey in this shot. It is more black than grey.


Luminosity: Generous amounts of C3 give this watch excellent luminosity that is on par with Seiko in my opinion. You can see that the UV flash enhances the lume but not by that much meaning the standard luminosity charges and glows very, very strongly. I really like the pip, the interesting break in the 12 marker and the lume on the tip of the second hand. All very nice touches.

Standard lume shot:



UV Flash lume shot.



Movement: Swiss Ronda 715Li quartz movement with a 10-year battery life and low battery indication
(Battery CR2016)







Specification sheet: http://www.ronda.ch/en/quartz-moveme...caliber/715li/

User manual: http://www.ronda.ch/fileadmin/user_u...8_en_de_fr.pdf

Miyota 9015:









http://www.citizen.co.jp/miyota_mvt/.../spec_9015.pdf

Summary:
I would certainly consider this watch for weekend and casual wear. The prototype I received was of excellent quality. It appears to be a watch that can take a beating from rugged wear without freaking out the owner because of price. I would compare it to the Seiko Monster except it is a quartz version. The crystal is upgraded from the Seiko. The addition of a Miyota 9015 option with a $230 price point is a can't miss in my opinion.

Pros:
1) Automatic now offered. This is a huge plus and makes this watch a very competitive entry into the dive watch category.
2) Solid, well made piece.
3) Nice use of C3 lume
4) 200M WR
5) Nice touches all around (sapphire, drilled lugs, logo on buckle and crown, etc.)

Con:
1) Lots of production options, maybe too many. I think simple is better.
Quote:
This has been addressed in the relaunch of the 9015 model.
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Almost like a smaller sized Puck
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Automatic Tatoskok

http://www.manchesterwatchworks.com/index.html
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Thanks for the review as always.

Quite a nice watch really and I love the logo on the caseback.

Price is very good, my only concerns are the website which is a free one as evidenced by the ad at the bottom, and the references in the description to lowest price and cheap, does not inspire me with confidence as to the longevity of the Company and the brand. It almost strikes of a desperation to bring a product to market.

Take a look at Scurfa watches also producing dive watches, they are exceptional value but do not use the word cheap.

There is a saying in business, that once you set a price point your business will be stuck there along with the reputation as it is hard to move up, due to the customer base you acquire.

By all means offer value for money but don't hammer cheap down the throat of your potential customers and reinforce it with a freebie website.

Please accept the comments as they are intended, from a ordinary chap that has been running his own business for nearly 20 years through good and bad times and has a desire for all to succeed.
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Almost like a smaller sized Puck

I was thinking the same thing.

I like it.
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Very nice watch but every time the double diamond logo catches my eye and reminds me of this (NTTIABT)

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Thanks for sharing a very well done review
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Anybody have experience with this company?

At that price, I'm tempted to give one a try. However, I've had one bad experience with a pre-order from a new watch co. As a result, I'm skittish about doing a pre-order with a company that doesn't have a well-established name/business. If anyone has experience I'd love to hear about it.
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Anybody have experience with this company?

At that price, I'm tempted to give one a try. However, I've had one bad experience with a pre-order from a new watch co. As a result, I'm skittish about doing a pre-order with a company that doesn't have a well-established name/business. If anyone has experience I'd love to hear about it.
I'd love to order one. I think it is a neat watch. I just can't do a pre order for the full price on a co. that to me does not appear to value their own product.

If they get it into production I will have one, I'm just concerned.
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This watch looks pretty great Marc ! Especially for a prototype ! The fit, and finish already look like that of the finished models people will be getting. Love that mix of vintage, as well as modern themes they are going for, or went for. At certain times, you appreciate the way everything comes together in such a classic way. The bezel, dial, and case really are fantastic ! What separates it from others, and makes it such a fun watch is the added subtle changes too. The neat texture on the dial that makes it look different every time you look at it. The classic, yet still unique bezel. Even the knurling around the bezel, along with crown is epic. Just think they really took their time thinking everything through, and the watch couldn't be nicer. Have to like the red added to the marker, along with the logo design. Even they are different, yet somehow familiar, and classic !

What a terrific look at this one Marc !!! Fantastic as always ! Thanks a lot !
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Hi all,

First, thanks to Spaceview (Marc) for agreeing to review my watch and for writing an excellent piece!

I'd like to introduce myself to everyone - my name is Doug and I am a hopeless watchoholic...and the founder of ManchesterWatchWorks.

Much of my background is already presented above, so I will get to the point. I am no stranger to anyone's ambivalence regarding a new company with an unproven product. I have been and I am still in your shoes as I continue to purchase watches from Kickstarter and through pre-orders ( I was also in n the California based bronze dive watch debacle). All I can tell you is that if I had the 30-40k to fund my watch production - I would. And then anyone could buy the watch and have it on their wrist in days and see the workmanship, quality and design firsthand. But I do not have that luxury and so pre-orders make the most business sense for my start-up. And that's what it truly is - a start-up. Hence the free website too.

PsiFox's advice was taken regarding the use of the word 'cheap'. It's been stricken from the website. These are not disposable watches and they are definitely not made to be that way. I wish I could tell you some of the companies my manufacturer works with and delivers finished products for, but I cannot. Rest assured, they are all over the world from Germany to New Zealand and many in between.

I have had 2 unsuccessful KS campaigns. So, I do need to get a product out there. But this is not a desperate attempt. This is the absolute lowest price I could offer for a 9015 Tatoskok. Will I do it again? Probably not (unless it's a black friday deal. Lol). But my business plan is to offer affordable high quality watches because that's what I love. So, unless I get fancy with movements or cases, you will not see unjustifiably high prices from my company....ever.

I know talk is talk. But, I know I can walk the walk.

Enjoy your time!

Cheers,
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Thanks for an excellent review and pictures. that is a sharp looking watch. I do wonder why the 9015 is only available without the date, but nice looking anyway.
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Hey Space:
Aint these pieces the cats meow?
My fave is the black PVD iteration. But the rest are just awesome.
I've had loads of watches, all brands, all models some with the
Ronda movements. Some folk bad mouth Isa (Isatronics) engines
but neith Ronda nor Isa has ever played me false.

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Thanks again for an outstanding review! I actually like it very much and the woven strap makes it shine. Not sure about the dial, that'll take some getting used to. I would go for the polished/automatic version if that comes available.
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Good luck with your venture!
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ScottyB aint nuthin but a fool for a tool

i swallowed the hook ...any other freeks getting down ?


when do you think MWW hits 85 ?

dial like sand under water...sounds like ZEN KOAN...you must be like water my friend...
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Hi all,

First, thanks to Spaceview (Marc) for agreeing to review my watch and for writing an excellent piece!

I'd like to introduce myself to everyone - my name is Doug and I am a hopeless watchoholic...and the founder of ManchesterWatchWorks.

Much of my background is already presented above, so I will get to the point. I am no stranger to anyone's ambivalence regarding a new company with an unproven product. I have been and I am still in your shoes as I continue to purchase watches from Kickstarter and through pre-orders ( I was also in n the California based bronze dive watch debacle). All I can tell you is that if I had the 30-40k to fund my watch production - I would. And then anyone could buy the watch and have it on their wrist in days and see the workmanship, quality and design firsthand. But I do not have that luxury and so pre-orders make the most business sense for my start-up. And that's what it truly is - a start-up. Hence the free website too.

PsiFox's advice was taken regarding the use of the word 'cheap'. It's been stricken from the website. These are not disposable watches and they are definitely not made to be that way. I wish I could tell you some of the companies my manufacturer works with and delivers finished products for, but I cannot. Rest assured, they are all over the world from Germany to New Zealand and many in between.

I have had 2 unsuccessful KS campaigns. So, I do need to get a product out there. But this is not a desperate attempt. This is the absolute lowest price I could offer for a 9015 Tatoskok. Will I do it again? Probably not (unless it's a black friday deal. Lol). But my business plan is to offer affordable high quality watches because that's what I love. So, unless I get fancy with movements or cases, you will not see unjustifiably high prices from my company....ever.

I know talk is talk. But, I know I can walk the walk.

Enjoy your time!

Cheers,
Doug


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now good luck to us man... sorry i won't be at no corporate board meetings in MANCHESTER VT. USA...cause ScottyB aint nuthin but a fool for a tool...


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Update: fyi - 79 more pre-orders to go.
May go to KS after the holidays to hit a bigger audience. I'll keep you all posted
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Hello Doug! Welcome to the site! Good luck with your new venture!
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Overall I like the look. The 12 marker and pip are especially nice touches. In general I like the bezel design but the split '15' would drive me nuts. I didn't look at the different options on the site but perhaps this is easily addressed with a different bezel insert as mentioned here.

The rest of the specs are good, on the Miyota anyways. I don't know a thing about Quartz so can't speak to that end. Bottom line for $230 this seems like an awful lot of watch.

Edit: clicked through to the final render of the automatic, and I'm glad to see the different bezel. Looks much better, and easier on my OCD!

I typically steer clear of pre-orders from unknowns (no offence) but if there is a guarantee of full refund should the watch not make it into production, or whatever other unforeseen circumstances, then I'll likely give it a try. Do you have an estimated production date? Or at least a timeframe from when you receive enough pre-orders to fund? I'm all for helping out the little guy, especially ones with good design sense, just need to make sure my bases are covered.

Cheers

Edit2: looking at the rendering again I think it would be better if the Lume on the seconds hand were a dot instead of an arrow. It would be easier to see at a glance, and be more cohesive to the overall design. Just my opinion and wanted to share.
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